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More cross linking sites ranking

         

Crush

10:26 pm on Dec 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Anyone noticing more cross linked domains on a similar theme ranking? i.e lots of hotel sites

I seeing it time and time again. What would get you banned in the old days seems to be fine in the new linking environment.

glengara

9:36 am on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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IMO it depends very much on the sector, try using a hotel type linkage pattern in a more "genteel" sector, and the chances are it will be penalised.

powerofeyes

7:41 pm on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am seeing this too, Based on the new development with google's link algorithm it seems their deliberate effort to devalue certain type of links are giving boost to other types of spam link techniques,

For example they are going after paid links but tend to ignore people who run many sites and cross link, Infact they need to concentrate more on these cross linking than chasing paid links,

ownerrim

8:10 pm on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"For example they are going after paid links"

How do you define a paid link and "going after" one? A submission to yahoo's directory is nothing more than a paid link and generally in terms of traffic it's quite useless. I'd say most do it for the pagerank you pick up from the other-country mirrors so shouldn't google go after that one as well? Should they go after gimpsy, or joeant, or try to penalize those who are advertising on other sites?

arran

8:18 pm on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How do you define a paid link?

Off-topic link from an authoritative site.

ownerrim

11:55 pm on Dec 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

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"Off-topic link from an authoritative site."

Ok. Take a site that ranks very high for the phrase "emt training". Let's say it gives a link from it's main page to a site about "syringe sterilizers". How the heck is google going to know whether that link is on topic or offtopic? It won't and it can't. Google which is an algo doesn't it's ass from a hole in the wall and it certainly doesn't know that a site about syringe sterilizers is a valid link from a site that is devoted to emergency med techs. That takes a person with intuitive skills, not an algorithmn. And, frankly, when we say "authoritative site", we're just attaching a label to sites that happen to appear high in the serps for a particular phrase or word, and that is simply a function of pagerank, keyword density, IBL, and anchor text. That doesn't mean in any way, shape, or form that google actually "knows" anything about the sites ranking in one of any 100 million niches. So...short of isolating pay-for-inclusion directories, links that have the word "sponsor" next to them, and obvious link farms, I'd be surprised if they can easily detect paid links at all.

arikgub

9:33 pm on Dec 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I guess in principle G could detect a paid link by looking for sites that out of the total number of 4-5 incoming links have 1-2 links from authority sites with PR6 and higher. This situation is unnatural, yet common for a paid link. I doubt however it provides enough evidence for penalization...

arikgub

9:44 pm on Dec 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Actually I meant "not enough evidence" to ignore the link. There is no penalization here for sure.

Crush

8:42 am on Dec 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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My take on it is that if you have sites on a similar topic you almost seem to get points from crosslinking on topic. It seems to be part of the new algo. I often look at a sites backlinks and I have seen this 2 or 3 times recently. I am going to experiment in the new year.