What will a PR9 link make my pages PR?

[rookiecrd1]

I have a PR4 forum. I was wondering if anyone had any clue what a PR9 link from a site with 15 external links and 14 internal links would do to my pr.

Any guess's?

[alphacooler]

You would get PR7 or 8

[oddsod]

or 9

[rookiecrd1]

You really think an 8 or 9 is possible?

[oddsod]

Possible if their page is a 9.9... but it's more likely you'll get a PR7. Unless they've been sussed for selling PR in which case you could go to a PR0.

[trillianjedi]

Unless they've been sussed for selling PR in which case you could go to a PR0.

In my experience, Google tend to PR0 the linkor page, not the linkee page (although I have seen it happen, it's really quite rare - or possibly explained by coincidental penalty - I never really got to the bottom of it).

TJ

[oddsod]

TJ, that makes sense and is in line with Google's famous "almost no third party can hurt you" claim. But then the 302 hijacks did dispel that myth so I'd be wary. I'd pay S'King to not link to my site from their homepage :)

[trillianjedi]

302 hijacks did dispel that myth

In fairness to Google, it seems clear to me that wasn't deliberate on their part. Attempts to stop PR selling/SERPS manipulation are very deliberate. So it's not quite the same.

But:-

so I'd be wary

Yes, I think that's good advice in any event.

TJ

[oddsod]

TJ, I have no doubt it was not deliberate. But, it was true - despite protestations to the contrary - other sites could screw you. Even assuming the hijack of the Adsense page was a "bug" there are enough examples that a 302 could put you away especially if it came from a site with high PR pages.

If third parties could harm you then there is no guarantee they can't harm you now. There's no guarantee they can't harm you badly just by linking to you (eg: several sitewides with a PPCasino anchor).

rookie, if you really want to build PR I'd recommend a larger number of links from lower PR pages. Stay under the radar... take PR6 and below.

[trillianjedi]

other sites could screw you... even assuming the hijack.....was a "bug"...

That's the point though, it was due to a bug/flaw, not a deliberate measure.

There no guarantee they can't harm you badly just by linking to you

That would be a deliberate measure by Google, or a side-effect of a deliberate measure.

I'm not disagreeing with you in principle - I would just say it perhaps a little differently like:-

"There's a possibility that an unforseen side-effect or bug in google will mean that another site can have a detrimental effect on your site, contrary to googles aims or reassurance. We've seen it happen before with 302 redirects."

I wouldn't put it stronger than that, but I accept it probably needs to be said.

I did a lot of analysis last year on three sites I saw getting nuked that had purchased PR/links (from obvious sellers - i.e. sales pitch not worded as "advertising" but as SEO) to see if I could work out a correlation between the fact that they bought links, and their getting nuked. I couldn't conclude that correlation existed, as there were other influencing factors which could have given rise to a manual penalty.

I accept it's always good advice to anticipate that google can have the odd bug here and there which might cause you problems.

But I would also say that it's more likely that a thorough and manual investigation of a site selling PR would result also in a manual/human examination of the linkee (buyer) pages.

That is I suspect the root of what I saw last year, with these three sites being nuked.

The purchased links just created a flag trail for google quality control employees (in my opinion and speculation).

Caveat emptor.

Sorry to drag this thread OT ;-). We might be better off carrying on elsewhere if you want to OddSod. It's interesting conjecture!

<added>Just saw you added this:-

rookie, if you really want to build PR I'd recommend a larger number of links from lower PR pages. Stay under the radar... take PR6 and below.

Yes, I totally agree.

</added>

TJ

[sugarrae]

Assuming they don't have a toolbar hack running to make a worthless page appear as a PR9 - and assuming links from them still carry any value to their linkees and assuming the little green bar is even showing an accurate behind the scenes PR for the site - all of which is a lot of assuming - you could of course see PR benefit. The real question is how will it affect your ranks. Getting lots of green may look pretty, but a PR8 link that gives you no boost in rankings is a pretty useless link.

[imstillatwork]

PR is only as good as the traffic it brings.