dmoz clones - valuable links?

Count links from these directories or are they discarded?

[Ulrike]

Many directories use data from dmoz.org. As O got a listing there I also appear in these other directories. The pages of the same ODP category have the same links and descriptions.

Do these listings count regarding link popularity or, as I suspect, are they discarded as duplicates?

[paynt]

Hello Ulrike,

In my experience and from what I can tell, it appears they count.

[Brett_Tabke]

Some do. When Google spots a clone, it is gone within 30-60days from the index. If you do run an ODP db, don't put it on a quality domain - the whole thing gets removed.

[Ulrike]

I don't run one of this clones. :)

If google removes them, what with the other SEs, i.e. altavista? I considered seeking these clones out and submitting the categories with my link.

[paynt]

I may have to disagree here a bit or at least clarify. I do use the ODP info for my hubs for some very good reasons and find this is an extremely valuable tool when creating a vortal. I assume you are right Brett that Google will remove exact clones but I don’t think we should confuse that with using ODP data.

Plus, I have received nice credit for links from ODP clones, which haven’t made the effort to move their content around. Maybe they will drop out at some point but I haven’t personally experienced that.

[Justin]

it seems google doesn't count them, but altavista does. i haven't looked much into this though.

Justin

[Chris_R]

I have ODP pages as well. Google could remove them by looking for the editor box, but it has left all my static ones in.

I combine this content with books from amazon. Therefore, I have unique content both before and after the ODP html.

I noticed some time ago Google had actually dozens and dozens of ODP clones. They have removed the vast majority of them (including 14,000+ pages from a dynamic one I was running).

I think Paynt is correct, I would especially think you would have a good chance if you did not use the whole database. Use what is relevant to your site and add unique content.

I also have gone through and removed some of the dead links from my ODP pages. Why DMOZ can't do this automatically, I do not know.

[Haakon]

bump :)
Hello, I`ve implemented a odp clone that is mirrored, but it`s only temporarily. I think I`ll remove it ASAP because of this and other posts I`ve come over.

But I was planning and looking forward to implementing some of the odp with RDF dump in the near future. I got a little sceptical until Chris mentioned he had combined it with amazon adds, and then Google won`t recognize/pennalize his site. Is this correct?
So I was thinking of getting a PHP odp template so that I can implement the last post of my (php) forum into every directory lookup, would this work so I don`t get cought as a duplicate? (anyone know of a released php script like this, know of two in the workings)

"Google could remove them by looking for the editor box, but it has left all my static ones in. "
Doesn`t RDF dumped directories get dropped? One odp clone that I`ve seen for two updates now is Kunani, what`s it`s secret?

Thanks

[paynt]

I'm not sure I can answer your technical questions. I confess I always have someone working with me savey on that end. I can tell you I have three active portals that utilize the ODP dump with another soon to come online. All are niched topics not general clones. None are mirrors and in fact we work on this all the time, to ensure they aren't.

I actually really limit the search feature and am even considering not using it at all. I too combine affiliate links that relate to my topic as well as unique content.

Another discussion we've held that you might not have seen yet can be found at:

A question of hubs [webmasterworld.com]

I hope someone gets round to answer the technical portion of your question. I'll see what I can do to hunt someone up.

[Haakon]

I saw that link yesterday also ( I saw this whole forum yesterday, actually), it had lots of info, but it wasn`t clear about if it is possible to have odp directories that get interpreted as originals by googleboot. Do I understand you correctly that you have three such directories, Paynt? Those sites that your directory link to will show a backward link?

[paynt]

To answer the first part of the question I suppose the answer is yes. These directories I've developed have to my knowledge been accepted as the unique product they are. That's because of the nature of the way I've set them up.

I'm not sure what you're asking in the second part of the question. Could you clarify?

[Haakon]

The second question was just follow up, but what I meant exactly was. If you follow one link from your directory, and then click on the "backward links" in the google tooolbar on the page you`re now visiting. Will your site/directory show in the "backward links" page?