links from same site

[pokerbull]

Does 20 links from the same site have more weighting than one link from that site. Does Google count it more than once?

[Crush]

less. Get lots of links from lots of sites. I have seen people with 1000's of links get nowhere

[caveman]

> less

Ummm, I don't think so. I will always take links from multiple pages, over links from just one page. Read about Page Rank.

Site wide links may now, or in the future, represent some sort of pink flag, but that was not the question (unless the 20 links are from a 20 page site, in which case they would probably not be an issue anyway).

> I have seen people with 1000's of links get nowhere

Me too. However, they are almost invariably doing something wrong/poorly.

We have numerous sites, in competitive categories, that are doing very well with less than 1,000 back links all in.

[jaffstar]

Does 20 links from the same site have more weighting than one link from that site. Does Google count it more than once?

I am going to agree with Caveman here. 20 from one site is worth more than 1.

However, its better to have 20 links from 20 different sites on different class c's.

[Crush]

Did not read it properly.

What I was saying is if you buy 1000's of links don't expect to be on the first page, of course IMO.

I have seen my competition buy a link in the footer of a massive site, correct anchor and it did them more harm than good.

Just out of interest caveman. How do you get a load of links from one site and make it effective?

[caveman]

> How do you get a load of links from one site and make it effective?

IMHO - and I'm not certain how much of this is opinion and how much is "truth of the moment" - I wasn't really addressing a "load of links": 20 links on different pages from a site that has 500+ pages is well within reason, and even more so if the 20 links are from 20 related pages. That is how the Web was supposed to be way back when. Heh, heh...

As for larger numbers of links...and this is something we think we still see pretty clearly...the more relevant the site is that is linking to you with loads of links, the more valuable those links are. I've heard some members debate this saying that, "A link is a link is a link..." But I still believe relevant links are superior, especially within the context of symantic assessment, Web neighborhoods, etc...

And why would it be otherwise? A site with 500 pages, for example, might choose to link to weather-dot-com from most pages, and that would be a good thing if the linking site had geo pages or perhaps even if it didn't, depending upon the situation. In any event, I can't imagine that such a thing would hur weather-dot-com's site, at all. Even if the linking site were cr*p, pardon my French.

> If you buy 1000's of links don't expect to be on the first page, of course IMO.

Depends. Harder than it used to be. Not impossible. Throw up 1,000's of links at once from a few big sites selling links, and yeah, that might catch G's attention...in a not so good way. Obvious SEO going on there. Not good these days. But if CNN decides to link to me from 1000 of their pages, I'll take it. :-)

Hmmm, now how can I get them to do that. Excuse me, I gotta give someone a new assignment. :-)

[David1]

IMHO 20 links from one site has a weight of 1 as far as raw link popularity. Some academic researchers have this as a variable M, with M typically set 2-8, so that means that having multiple links from one site helps you up to a level of 2-8, and anything more than that is ignored. I think G has M set at one and maybe 2 at the highest. Google and others have scoring methods for recursive link popularity, aka PageRank which gives you a score depending on how many links you have from pages that have links pointing to them from pages that have links pointing to them etc. IMHO all links are counted for your Pagerank score.

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Does 20 links from the same site have more weighting than one link from that site. Does Google count it more than once?

[dickbaker]

What about directories or wiki's with different categories, and links to different pages within a site?

For example, on a couple of directories I have links to a number of interior pages of my site, under different categories. For example, one might be www.mysite.com/bluewidgets.html, and another link in a different category would be www.mysite.com/redwidgets.html

Your thoughts?

[David1]

IMHO all links will add to your Pagerank. I think pages have a raw link popularity score that reflects how many unique and unaffiliated(diff class c and geographic ip) pages link to your page, I also think that sites(domains) also have a raw link popularity score that reflects how many unique unaffiliated sites link to yours. I dont see any evidence that Hilltop is being used, but it may in the future, with Hilltop you score points for incoming links page to page from unaffiliated sources from pages that are about a topic and considered to be experts(have high out degree of links pointing to unaffiliated pages on a certain subject), if you have multiple links from any one site(domain) then only the highest scoring page can pass points to your page and all others are discarded.

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What about directories or wiki's with different categories, and links to different pages within a site?

For example, on a couple of directories I have links to a number of interior pages of my site, under different categories. For example, one might be www.mysite.com/bluewidgets.html, and another link in a different category would be www.mysite.com/redwidgets.html

Your thoughts?