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Is it okay to exchange links with unrelated sites?

From the search engines point of view...

         

mig1234

5:38 pm on Nov 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Exchanging links with other sites is one of the fastest free ways how
to get good search engine rankings.

It’s a common advice to exchange links with related sites only and
keep your link directory a service to your visitors.

While these are good points, they can limit your link exchange
campaign.

Think about it. Who visits link directories anyway? Except webmasters
who want to exchange links.

And while exchanging links with related sites only sounds like the
right thing to, does this make any difference to search engines?

My question is. From the search engine point of view, is it okay to
exchange links with sites that are not related to your site?

Ron

Marketing Guy

8:08 pm on Nov 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Here's a discussion from a few days back: [webmasterworld.com...]

> "Think about it. Who visits link directories anyway? Except webmasters who want to exchange links."

Links pages still turn up in SERPs so attract random traffic that way.

I guess off-topic linking should be considered as a legitimate technique - particularly for niche areas that don't have many other "related" sites.

Personally, none of my sites are short of related sites willing to exchange links, so my main concern with off topic link exchanges would be managing the sheer volume of reciprocal links! ;)

Although, I've got to say, I like to keep my sites on topic - not for any particular theory about SEO theming or relevance - just because I think my sites work better that way.

Scott

larryhatch

5:06 am on Nov 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Suppose there are a couple of businesses in a small town, Mary's Cafe and George's Exxon Station.

I just can't see any harm in them exchanging links.
They could be right across the street from one another.

Could they be 'penalized' for this, at least in theory?

- Larry

martinibuster

5:29 am on Nov 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Suppose there are a couple of businesses in a small town, Mary's Cafe and George's Exxon Station.

They're related. They're in the same town. Search terms:

  • Small Town Cafe
  • Small Town gas station.

larryhatch

6:03 am on Nov 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hello Martinibuster:

Yes, of course. I hope the major SEs agree. - Larry

caveman

6:54 am on Nov 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Keep in mind also that some sites are 'related' in ways that users don't always see, but the SE's do.

I can tell you that toasters and towels are related, for example.

And what if a blogger links to his favorite roller coaster site, and then later to a car rental company...are those related? Sure they are. Maybe not very valuable, but certainly related.

The flip side is that I'm one who thinks that while most links are good, themed links are better. However, not all agree on that point... :-)

amrit

5:24 pm on Nov 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I see no reason why this would be a problem. I dont think Google checks to see if a site is related or not. how exactly would he do that?

lbsguy

12:08 pm on Nov 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Oflate SE's are preferring the links to be from related websites. It will be all the more beneficial if you and your competitors are linking. Logically a website can't have off topic link, because it is intended for certain kind of customers. For example a Travel website is not expected to talk about or have information on Foreclosures. As per my experience the website will benefit more if it has links from the same industry.

amrit

3:36 pm on Dec 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I also try to link to related sites, but I also linked to unrelated without any problem. The reason I try to link to related sites is " judt to be on the safe side" but I have no real evidence that the SE cares wheather they are related.
How can you say that SE care about it with so much spam going around?

mark1615

3:50 pm on Dec 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It is my view that a link from a quality is valuable - period. But the question that is being glossed over here that is key if you think "relevant" links are important is, what is the definition of relevance. Is it the site, the page, the sentence, etc. surrounding the anchor text? Take a look at the papers on Hilltop, LSI, etc. We have sites that link out to sites that really have nothing to do with what is offered by the site, but the principles think the sites they link to are valuable (and the are). This is quite common with people not obsessed with SEO issues.

rytis

5:35 pm on Dec 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In my experience a link from related page on unrelated site is as good as link from related page on related site. Related page = my keywords or synonyms in their title, h tags, other links and text.

martinibuster

9:00 pm on Dec 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...but I also linked to unrelated without any problem.

Who you link to says something about who you are. That's why Google cautions against linking to so-called bad neighborhoods. If who you link to says something about what your website is about, then you should really think hard about it.

At pubcon, in response to a question about if Google was penalizing aff sites, Matt Cutts said something along the lines of, that if Google comes to your site and all you have for outgoing links is aff links, what does this say about what your site is about? (this is a paraphrase from memory and not a direct quote)

Looked at another way, who you link to, and who links to you, establishes a connection between all of you. This is how Google finds and delists artificial networks.

Now, I have seen websites do awful home made seo with this kind of thinking. Garbage like setting aside one page from which to replicate a DMOZ category, nonesense like that.

mark1615

1:15 am on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My thought has been to try and think twice about links - once with SEO in mind and another time as if I had never heard of it. In other words, what do I think would be valuable to visitors in the absence of SEO. I mentioned a site we work on where the principles link out to some sites that, from a simple point of view, would seem unrelated but which they think are valuable. They are a bricks and mortar company and have a link to, for example, the Wall Street Journal among other things.

I agree that who you link to says something about who you are. In this case, this says they are a business, and other business people may find thw WSJ useful - but it's not strictly speaking on-topic.

martinibuster

1:33 am on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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...but it's not strictly speaking on-topic.

Very true. But if we expand the field of view, then we may see that they are in the same neighborhood. Oblige me for a moment while I present a different way of looking at this.

Visit the ODP and go to your particular category. Then move up the breadcrumb trail to the more progressively general categories. They are all related beneath a general umbrella. Let's take this set:

Top: Science: Publications: Journals

If your category is Journals, you can go up one cat to Publications and find that Top: Science: Publications: is still your neighborhood. Strictly speaking the sites are not on topic, but still within your neighborhood or area. And still related. If you follow the links they will be interlinked in one fashion or another.

The natural linking patterns of Science Journals will encompass all kinds of things related to science. A more general neighborhood. If these websites were stars, together they would form a galaxy.

Now compare that neighborhood with say the linking patterns you may find in a journal about motorcycles. You're going to find a whole other set of interlinked websites forming their own galaxy.

I try to conceptualize the linking in those terms, to step back and see the larger neighborhood and assess whether or not it is appropriate.

mark1615

11:49 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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OK, I follow you and even agree but this is where I part company with what I take to be the orthodoxy on this subject. Take your example of motorcycles, links to or from a site that specializes in financing motorcycles or insuring motorcycles would be natural and useful but would fall outside of the linear, top down relationship that is usually considered. And this goes back to the question of what SEs consider relevant. My belief is that it has more to do with the page and even the text immediately surrounding the anchor text than with the site itself. What do you think?

caveman

5:54 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What if the page linking to motorcycles is about Apparel? Jackets? Leather jackets?

Cars? Racing cars? Racing bikes?

Maps? Roadmaps? Biker towns?

Restaurants? Diners? Truckstops?

Before people started worrying about all this, the linking patterns were very natural, and very all over the place. What do you think?

prairie

2:41 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Perhaps if you work your keyword into the outbound anchor text you can help contextualize what's at the other end (and in turn yourself), but that could lead to a lot of idiotic phrasing.

I'm longing for the day when Google et al can better understand what they're indexing.

submitx

5:53 am on Dec 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Linking to unrelated sites is not bad. Link exchange with unrleated sites is not bad. But don't do it too much. The only thing is they have less of a value vs. if the link was relevant. Try to keep unrelated links to a minimal so that your site stays on topic as far as content. IMO, no link is a bad link. Get as many links as you can to your site from anywhere possible, but keep in mind that links from relevant pages have more of a value and links from high PR pages have more of a value.