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Convince me to use Opera (or Moz/FB)

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3:18 pm on Jan 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I see that there are a lot of Opera/Mozilla/Firebird users on this forum. I am very interested in switching from the dreaded IE6, but I'm looking for a browser I will actually USE. I have opera, firebird and netscape (latest versions) installed, but with the IE icon still on my desktop I find myself always clicking that first. Old habits die hard I guess.

What turns me away from Opera is their banner. I'm not opposed to buying software that I enjoy and supporting their work, but at $39 plus $15 upgrades is pretty steep when there are viable free options. I don't think it's as pretty as IE or Moz either. But for those of you Opera fans out there, convince me that it's worth the price. Or even that the free version is good enough.

I like Netscape/Mozilla a lot right now. Firebird is a bit too stripped out for me though. I'm just looking for a fast, competent, browser here with perhaps some cool tools and options. Email isn't important though. I have 10 years worth saved in Outlook.

So please give me your opinions on the major browsers as well as their pros and cons. I've read through their respective propoganda but I'd really like to know what WebmasterWorld thinks. Except people who only use Lynx. I don't care about you people. ;)

Thanks.

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Another thing that is important to me is consistency. I don't want to have to switch to another browser while surfing because things don't look as they are supposed to. And as supposed to, I mean in the IE sense, not the code is wrong so it should display wrong. A majority of websites are "optimized" (dumb word) for IE and not even tested in alternative browsers. So I'm interested in your experiences in regards to this as well.
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6:35 pm on Jan 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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no flash problems in 7.23 with default settings

Your right, just tested it again. I guess I complained loud enough on their forums.

BTW, I have a copy of Opera 6.5.? (I know it was 6 and pretty sure about the .5 I could go check but im lazy) on another computer. It was one of the worst browsers I ever used. Pages would continually fall apart. I would spend hours trying to get my pages to just look ledgable in it. I was so glad when 7 came out. Anybody else have problem with 6.5?

6:42 pm on Jan 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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toma,

Your history of Opera useful. But I still see a problem with Opera 7.20.

I have a fun page with some javascript animation on it. Essentially an object moves around the page and hides behind another object. IE5+ and Mozilla 1.2.1+ display the page correctly.

Netscape 6 and 7 fail because the browser speed is slugged so that even if running on Win2000 or XP it refreshes itself at the same rate as Win98. The object therefore moves at a snail pace.

Opera 7.20 displays everything correctly, even the animation, but unfortunately it has poor page stability and can't cope when the moving object moves behind an area with a higher z-index. The gifs get distorted.

OK, it's only a fun page, but as site design gets more complicated the bigger and more stable browsers such as IE will stay ahead, and the lean-and-keen ones will still be struggling to catch up.

Harry

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I wouldn't personally describe IE as a "more stable browser", but that's just my opinion.
7:08 pm on Jan 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I have a fun page with some javascript animation on it.

Nothing personal, but until some type of standards is setup for javascript your asking for trouble using it for anything but the most simple tasks.

About the flash/opera thing. I had 7.21 installed and it worked with that.

About Opera 7.23 which I just installed. Will they ever go to a auto-update system like Micro$oft, Creative and Redhat have. Not that most of us here care about stuff like that but if it's ever going to be accepted by the masses it will need to become easier to update. Unless of course there is already a auto-update feature for the paying customers, if so nevermind.

3:58 am on Jan 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

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until some type of standards is setup for javascript your asking for trouble

js is a well-documented programming language, and their already are 'standards'. As I said, I have no problems with the js. I exclude browsers that have poor DHTML support, although those are few now, and they simply see the page without the animation.

IE has always been able to render js animation from IE4. But Opera has always failed by its own inadequacies; first poor DHTML support, and although that has now been fixed, it still suffers from poor rendering stability.

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