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4:36 am on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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O7 for win is on the opera ftp server...

ftp://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/win/700/beta1/

6:16 am on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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From playing with it for about a half hour:

Features / interface is a little buggy, but it's a beta, so that's to be expected.

Loads some web pages a little faster for me than Opera 6. But then, I've never noticed Opera 6 as being significantly faster than Mozilla or IE, so I wonder if my install of Opera 6 is bad (or if 768Mb of RAM makes any browser fast).

DOM support much better, but still not perfect.

Overall, it looks like a significant improvement. Now to test it on the firewall at work tomorrow...

[edited by: moonbiter at 6:19 am (utc) on Nov. 13, 2002]

6:18 am on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Wow, maybe this is the Opera we've been waiting for...

Many of the weird CSS and JS quirks are gone!

It's performing very good for an initial beta!

8:12 am on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Does a few weird things though. E.g. the field I'm writing in right now is aligned left on my screen.

Anyway, it seems there are lots of changes. Means more work for us guys with browser specific files.

9:41 am on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't see any password manager - curses:(
5:45 pm on Nov 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Some nice things like transfers being part of the sidebar.
Hopefully the email client will rock and I can use that too :) They certainly talk it up.

3.11MB not bad size.
Animated icons I dont like really, they are nice the first time you see them and annoying thereafter.

All just my opinions of course.

10:37 am on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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cant wait to try it out
will hopefully see an improvement
2:51 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Damn, my first impresson on Opera 7: Itīs fast! And much more important - css layouted sites are shown correctly.

>Anyway, it seems there are lots of changes. Means more work for us guys with browser specific files.

No, I think it is definetely *less* work. I just changed one of my site to valid HTML with pure CSS layout (ok, I needed one table for layout reasons), but now, MSIE >= 5, Netscape >= 7, Mozilla >= 1.0 and Opera 7.0 show all the same.

Finally, they got it all. Forget about Netscape 4, get your users to use a browser of the fifth generation.

2:56 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What I meant is, now I have scripts checking what browser is used and showing the pages accordingly. And Opera had its own layout and so on. Now I have to change that. More work.
3:37 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Fantastic!

There are definitely still some DOM bugs, but it's much better. For a beta, I'd say they did a darn good job!

I like the look too. Very "mac-ish".

3:57 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Brett has always been the opera supporter around here and although it's hard to break habits (ie) I'm going to give it another shot.

Initial worried reaction, why do the sponsored links in google have absolutely no background color when i'm using opera? is that normal with this browser?

[nevermind, i was in author mode]

4:08 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I can't get it to switch over to non-tabbed mode. I found the old checkbox I set before in the preferences to do it, but it doesn't seem to work. (Did I do something wrong?)

I really hate the Bookmark manager and all that other stuff being stuck into the hotlist. It makes it difficult to find. I hit Bookmarks...Manage Bookmarks, and nothing happens, unless you have that toolbar turned on!

Email support seems more of an afterthought than a feature. Again, stuck in the hotlist.

Only decent thing so far: I found out you can move the icons around in the main button bar(home, back, new, etc).

4:39 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Standards compliance is well-up in this Beta, although I'm still seeing a few Opera6-like CSS errors on certain sections of my site, which don't appear in Moz or IE.

Still, a fantastic start.

4:52 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I like it alot.

Big fan of Opera since i switched over last year, and have followed it from v5 on win and v44 on linux.

This is smooth, the drop down options on the Google search, is useful, specially if they customizsable, this time round. The UI is pretty impressive, and i am glad that it did not take on from my other opera browser, emails - bookmarks - contacts, etc. Just in case is does start playing around. I think until it is in its post-beta stage, i will just use it for viewing site's, and visiting here.

5:30 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Just stared using it. I can't wait for them to release it with all the usual functions. It's clean, crisp and very very quick.

Chris.

5:42 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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"Means more work for us guys with browser specific files"

And why would you do something stupid like browser sniffing in the first place? I've been at this game since 1998, and I've never once had to use browser detection *and* I can get Netscape 4 (tested as early as 4.07, which isn't even y2k compliant) to play nice with CSS layouts *and* validates as (X)HTML 1.0 (Transitional)/CSS-2 compliant.

I have a love/hate relationship with the mail client (I used o6's mail client). I HATE how all of the mail from my 5 different email accounts is dumped into 1 folder and symbolic links them to my filtered folders (that I had to set up myself!) for each account. Though, the "spam" filter seems to be working to some extent, except I don't see a way to teach it that a particular email that wasn't caught *is* spam (but I guess you can teach it that a particular captured email isn't spam).

I like most of the improvements (minus all of the bugs, of course), but the biggest thing that pisses me off is the fact that I was stupid enough to purchase a license to o6. When I purchased my license, I distinctly remember it saying that I would receive a free upgrade to the next released version, but that appears to not be the case. Apparently, only the people that bought during the "special" promotion get the free upgrade (read: not me).

7:41 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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So far, I like it. It's the only thing other than Galeon that renders one of my experimental layouts right :) (A frames-like layout in CSS)

There seems to be at least one bug in the javascript/DOM, though. I haven't looked too closely at it yet, but I have a little test page with DHTML drop-down menus on it that crashes O7. Hopefully they'll fix that before they declare it a release version.

9:33 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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There's another bug with either .asp or Snitz forums. With XP Pro I can't login to Snitz forums at all using the brwoser. Someone using a Mac reports that they can't log in unless they change the UA and then still can't see the "reply" field on Snitz forums. Glad it is a beta.
10:01 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I justed tested it on some of my sites, which look horrible in the earlier versions and I they are displayed 100% correct in this new release.
10:23 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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After using it a bit, it is glitchy.

Outside of sending 'this post field' halfway over the screen, my computer just locked up while trying to do something, could'nt CTRL+ALT+DEL, with the net conn running full blast. will keep an eye on this. Can't honestly say its nothing to do with the computer, but this computer has not had any problems since i built it 5 months ago.

10:40 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ya, it's beta/alpha quality for sure. Fairly stable though. I've only crashed it twice so far (that's saying alot).

I just can't see a compelling reason to try to switch to it full time. I like v6 much better yet. That, and I spend the majority of my day in forms - a glitchy browser is not a possiblity in that environment where a browser screw up has cost me money before.

Slade, the new email client is quite a bit improved. There is a nifty feature that allows you to classify an email into categories instead of just folders (contact, call back, to do, etc). That would be very handy.

11:00 pm on Nov 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Apparently, only the people that bought during the "special" promotion get the free upgrade (read: not me).

Yeah, I'm a little disgruntled about that too.

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It just bombed out on me again. its gone, can't be having that.

Even at beta, it should'nt be going out. Will have another look once it is more stable, but as it stands i'm happy with 6.04.

6:17 am on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I've been loyally paying for Opera since version 4, and I don't think I've received a free upgrade to a major version yet. It's getting expensive supporting this alternative browser ;)
5:12 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Interface is great. DOM and CSS support are better, although I wish they were good enough that my IE-using coworkers would stop giving me $%!# for using Opera. (I work for a Web design firm).

Word of warning: I'm seeing some serious stability issues with it on my machine. It doesn't crash the OS, but the program itself crashes a lot. Don't know if anyone else has had the same problems or not.

5:17 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Apparently, only the people that bought during the "special" promotion get the free upgrade (read: not me).

Isn't it possible that you haven't gotten the free upgrade because it's not a release version yet? I don't think they would immediately tell everyone that bought o6 to upgrade to a buggy beta version the day it comes out.

5:30 pm on Nov 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ya, they've found a few known crashers. Fairly stable for a first beta (alpha in my book) release.

V6 is solid here - best browser I every used. I uninstalled 7. Can't see any reason to use it.

Ya, the upgrade fee is $15 if you didn't reg during the special promo.

6:39 am on Nov 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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First of all happily surprised by better use of favicon.ico and increase of speed! A wee bit gimmicky - a bit like MacOS X but generally pleased. Better control of javascript pop-ups!

I was also surprised whilst visiting this site:
[freebsd.org ] making further use of <link rel... - I'm not aware of it being used like this in any other browser? Potential for overuse?!

Was using Opera Mail in 6 but finding 7's(new?) mail client a bit weird and un-intuitive. Will stick with it.

6:59 am on Nov 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Moz has supported link for quite awhile. Also, Opera will prefetch the next link with "ctrl-x".
10:16 am on Nov 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Wow, it's beginning to look like a browser I'd consider using (that really is saying something for me)...

key points I noticed in my ten minute playaround:

- nice print preview feature
- they've written their own <select> dropdown boxes so they should obey z-index order properly, yeah (yes, I know Moz has been doing this a while, maybe MS will get the idea)!
- daft form buttons that highlight when you mouse over them, a little carried away for the normally super reserved Opera team I would have thought
- silly animated buttons at the top should go (by default)
- a distinct lack of tooltips on all the buttons

I am impressed though and genuinely excited about the full release.

J

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