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Libel and other legal issues

Disclaimers or do I have to remove myself

         

surfgatinho

6:32 am on Oct 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi

I run a forum which quite often gets reasonably heated. Most of the people posting are intelligent adults who can make a point without resorting to abuse etc.
As a rule we try not to edit or remove posts.

Anyway the problem is somebody has posted something that inferrs certain things about the paternity of a member of the British royal family(!) At the end of the day there is no proof for any such allegation but on the other hand I don't want to start editing posts for the sake of it.

Does anybody know the legal ins and outs of forums?

rogerd

10:14 pm on Oct 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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First, let me make it clear that information here can't be construed as legal advice - you should get advice from an actual attorney who can review your situation in detail and who is familiar with the laws in your jurisdiction.

Like most areas of law, things aren't always black and white with libel, forums, etc. I would definitely put up a well-crafted disclaimer that posts are the responsibility of the person making them, that the forum operator can't monitor every post, and whatever else your lawyer recommends. (Get ideas by visiting a variety of forums and reviewing their TOS and disclaimers.)

Where it could get sticky is if a member makes statements disparaging a firm and some other condition exists. What if one of your mods replies to the poster? Or worse, agrees? What if the firm complains to you and you fail to act?

Of course, even if you do everything perfectly someone can STILL sue you. Even if you prevail eventually, suits can sap your time and financial resources. So, disclaim everything and be diligent; you won't be immune from problems, but you'll improve your odds.

raywood

3:37 pm on Oct 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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<< I don't want to start editing posts for the sake of it.>>

I try to let my users have their rein, but some posts could put you not only at some legal risk, but also the risk of starting flame wars and/or losing members.

I will edit a post if I think it might run off users or reflect badly on my website. That's not just for the sake of editing, it's for the sake of the integrity and future life of my site.

Here is a line from my TOS that I use on all my forums:

This is our website. You can have freedom of speech as long as we don't get worked up about what you say or the way you say it. If you post something that we feel doesn't belong, we reserve the right to censor, slash and burn, rant and rave, and delete anything we want to.

Later2

4:14 pm on Oct 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think providing you cover youself by saying the comments of forum members do not reflect the views of the webmaster etc etc then it is quite alright to say that that little brawling weed Harry was sired by an army major called Hewitt. I mean it's so obvious it almost goes with out saying (about Hewitt I mean).

surfgatinho

4:41 pm on Oct 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Later2 That's the one!
I'll take my lead from whether the message stays unmodified here and follow suit!

Thanks for the other advice I'll put together a more comprehensive disclaimer.

HughMungus

5:17 pm on Oct 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the other advice I'll put together a more comprehensive disclaimer.

A disclaimer is not the law. You cannot point to your disclaimer and say to the judge, "But I have a disclaimer!" Your local laws apply. Where are you?

surfgatinho

9:07 pm on Oct 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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UK - I seem to remember reading the law is alittle harsher over here

Webwork

4:05 pm on Oct 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The problem with forums is, that unless you engage in mass IP blocking (nation level), your forum could expose you to claims around the world due to the varying legal standards. I see no clean fix to this.

Probably the best you can ever do is have a well thought out TOS, including a policing and enforcement policy, a jurisdiction and dispute policy, and an effective system for reporting violations or abuse.

A prompt 'fix' may not immunize you but it will go a long way to either reducing the risk or the effect of a claim. Heaven forbid a claim is ever filed a judge (and jury) will be more likely sympathetic to the forum operator who took prompt well reasoned action. This is where having a written and published policy in place that anticipates problems can save you a measure of grief.

Later2

4:31 pm on Oct 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I am based in the UK. I'm no legal expert, but if I were in your shoes I wouldn't worry about the posts you refer to. In the extremely unlikely even that someone, a lawyer for example, contacts you to complain or object to the posts then I would edit them, otherwise, I would let your forum do what forums are supposed to do. Exchange ideas and thoughts - preferably without worrying about big brother standing over your shoulder. There seems to be a different attitude in the US and France where free speach does not exist. You can't say what you like in the US because people sue at the drop of a hat and for the most nebulous of reasons, and you can't in France because they have very rigid libel laws.
IMO as soon as people or webmasters in the UK (with supposedly a British site) have to sart moderating forum postings for fear of being sued by someone in the US or France then that is really bad news for free speach and for the Internet.