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websites for sale?

a query why there are not more people selling developed websites

         

tony1999

4:23 am on Apr 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi. Probably a silly question. But after the dot.com crash I would have thought that there would be thousands of fully developed websites for sale, particularly after some serious money was spent in developing them. OK, I see the occasional website for sale at some auction house, but where is the "market" in buying/selling fully developed second-hand (preloved ?) websites. What am I missing ?

Filipe

3:53 pm on Apr 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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That's a good question. I don't know for sure, but I'm running a semi-large website right now and the levels of undocumented functions, code, and administration tasks are too many to just pass on to someone else.

Also, the site might exist, but between the time when we don't have enough money to run it and the time when it would get sold is too great. Not only would the site have to be taken down (and hence lose search engine positions and a user base) the site loses a lot of it's value. Since the site failed people might not see it as a viable market product and not want to pick it up.

But sites are being bought and sold all the time. Sign up for the Web Mergers and Acquisitions newsletter and you get a weekly update as to the site trading that's going on. It's fairly active.

mack

6:26 pm on Apr 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You can sometimes get a few listed on ebay or other similar auction sites but i think the prices they ask reflect that then dont know about the .com crash yet :)

EliteWeb

7:01 pm on Apr 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I have a design I did for a company, which they asked me to take offline because their son had his heart set on doing their web site. I have the design, with a poll, mail forms, request forms, mailing list, and PSD file of it all that I'd love to sell on ebay but the prices seem kinda low on there recently.

mack

8:07 pm on Apr 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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problem with selling something like that on ebay is they the seller always asks over the ods and the buyer expects to get it for next to nothing.

JamesR

11:12 pm on Apr 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Many people still do not know how to make money on the web. There are many sites getting tons of traffic but making very little cash. Many still have not figured the Net out yet...we are still in largely undiscovered country.

mbauser2

12:22 am on Apr 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Car thieves often say that some models of automobile are actually more valuable when dismantled and sold for parts than when sold as a whole car.

Failed businesses are often like this, too: Customer records get sold to one person, the office furniture to someone else, the brand name to a third. When you've got a company in receivership, you've got to sell the company whichever way gets you out of debt the fastest. Same thing with online businesses.

JayC

12:25 am on Apr 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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There are usually a few complete and operational sites for sale at bizbuysell.com.

tony1999

12:11 pm on May 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Many many thanks for the replies to my post, but sorry we are missing something. I feel that this site has tremendous "brain" power
but the basic question remains unanswered - sorry, no offence to those that responded.
Are "pre-loved" websites simply abandoned, or as suggested, dissected and sold off in parts. I know that some eg four/five, are sold via ebay etc, but that doesn't explain why there are not literally thousands of functional websites listed someone for sale. Suggestion - is it because it is too easy to "copy" eg "black-widow" a site rather than purchase one?
Com'mon guys'gals help me out on this one.

TallTroll

1:31 pm on May 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Firstly, there are fewer fully-developed websites around than you would think. The dotcom crash was mostly to do with greed. A bunch of young, stupid, technically illiterate, arts graduate types working for some financial institute would get awfully excited over the massive potential for profit represented by some marvellous idea for fleecing the public on-line. A lot of sites went down before they ever really got working

Being almost totally insulated from the real world, they neglected one tiny detail : they were rubbish ideas, mostly badly implemented. Its hard enough to get people to buy things face-to-face, when you can smarm and simper at them in person, guage their reactions, and adjust. I know, I've done it

Its even harder to do it on the phone, using only your voice, and blocked from all the visual and body language clues, when they always have the option of just hanging up. I know, I've done that too

Its nearly impossible to get them to buy from a website, which they first have to find (the web is a very passive medium, telesales is far more proactive), then be interested by, then trust. The list of objections to buying is enormous, but almost no-one was looking at those, because they didn't know they had to. The focus was solely on the technology, and how sexy it all was.

Boo was the classic. Great look, good brand, technology that made the techies drool, no business plan. The site was very difficult, even frustrating, for a potential customer to get to the point-of-sale. When you could get on at all. If oyu were willing to risk getting the wrong goods. Late. If they arrived at all.

You get my point? It was all being driven by the wrong people, with no thought ever given to the consumer

OK, now I've finished the rant, lets examinehow it relates to the question.

Consider 2 websites, A and B. A is a typical dotcom, loads of VC, Jags for the directors, no idea what they are doing. B is the product of an individual or group who have spotted a gap in the market, where the benefits of the Web can be applied to a known business scenario, and the difficulties and complications that arise are outweighed by the benefits.

A will crash and burn in about 18 months, when it becomes obvious that 1) the revenue streams are actually trickles, 2) its all a lot more expensive than it looks. This company will likely be broken up, because who wants to buy a failure like that? The parts have some value, but not the whole.

B will plod on, grow organically, but cover its costs. Hence it is unlikely to come up for sale

Since these 2 general cases cover the majority of fully developed sites, that would explain the lack of them on the market

Filipe

5:03 pm on May 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

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TallTroll,

Kudos! I think you summed that up very nicely. I'm in the middle of what I hope is a B company and I've thought similar things for the last 2 years. Keep up the good posts!