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SlowMove

2:01 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Alexa sells a list of 100,000 busiest sites for about $2500 USD. Is any similar information out there for free?

edit_g

2:05 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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No, don't think so - it really is the sort of information people charge for. But you can get the top 500 for free (from Alexa) and are Alexa ratings even that accurate (we have discussed this several times).

SlowMove

2:08 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think if Google decided to release a list it would probably be a little more accurate.

SlowMove

2:15 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I noticed checking the traffic ranks at Alexa, there are some really unusual spikes where a site can go from off the bottom of the chart to within the top 100 and then back off the bottom of the chart again. I don't see how that can happen.

edit_g

2:23 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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there are some really unusual spikes where a site can go from off the bottom of the chart to within the top 100 and then back off the bottom of the chart again. I don't see how that can happen.

I can - It is due to a really small sample size. No offence to WebmasterWorld but why do you think they're so high? It is because every webmaster and their dog has the toolbar installed. This is also, to some extent, true of larger (more expensive and supposedly more accurate) stats firms like hitwise and redsherrif.

SlowMove

2:32 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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why do you think they're so high? It is because every webmaster and their dog has the toolbar installed.

What toolbar? I installed the Google toolbar. It might be a stupid question, but isn't that different from the Alexa toolbar?

edit_g

2:34 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sorry, yeah, the alexa toolbar. That is how Alexa gather all their data - through the Alexa toolbar. It will also show a rating for the site you're at and annoying amazon ads.

SlowMove

2:42 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Is there any reason why Google doesn't release similar stats?

CygnusX1

2:43 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My traffic ranks at Alexa are also too low. I have compared them with my stats program. I have had more visitors in the past 4 months then any other time and Alexa has said my visitors were down by 40,000 for the month for the last 2 months. My visitors are up by 60,000. Their stats can’t be very up-to date. It is just a guide to go by.

edit_g

2:52 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Is there any reason why Google doesn't release similar stats?

I don't know - Google have never been particularly open when it comes to this sort of thing. It would also be more accurate than a lot of other services - so it would be really expensive.


My traffic ranks at Alexa are also too low. I have compared them with my stats program. I have had more visitors in the past 4 months then any other time and Alexa has said my visitors were down by 40,000 for the month for the last 2 months. My visitors are up by 60,000. Their stats can’t be very up-to date. It is just a guide to go by.

It isn't even a guide to go buy. I don't think I'll ever manage to get across how little weight I would give to Alexa rankings - and I am speaking from direct experience of having seen an individual user (one user!) push sites into the top 5,000 in just a few months.

sidyadav

3:55 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A total rip-off.

Alexa ranking's don't matter - Google ranking's do :)

Sid

macrost

5:24 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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From my own experience, Alexa only computes it's stats from the people who acutally have the toolbar. For example, I took my site from 350,000 or so to under 125,000 just from visiting it a few times a day with it installed.

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walkman

5:27 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)



"I took my site from 350,000 or so to under 125,000 just from visiting it a few times a day with it installed"
wanna echange high PR links? Ooops, I mean, you visit my site and I'll visit yours :)?

superpower

5:31 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Although it's true the Alexa ranking doesn't matter for 100,000+, I think the lower you get it definitely does matter in terms of estimating importance and traffic... imo....

walkman

5:44 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)



it's a joke. I have a site that gets about 3 times as much trafic as another one. The one with less traffic is 68,000 lower in the ranking. You do the math. That site ALWAYS got more traffic (at least twice as much), so it's not a new thing either..

sidyadav

7:05 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The rankings are too controllable - all of my site's Alexa rankings are below 100,000 or are going to be real soon. One site is even in the 30k's, just because of me visiting the sites 24 times a day :)

So therefore, they don't matter - they are too easy to control.

Sid

superpower

7:53 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Then try to get in the top 1000 by visiting your site...

sidyadav

8:10 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Well, I don't that would work, you would need atleast a 100 or 200 unique visitors (per day) who have the Alexa toolbar installed.

Getting into 100,000 by yourself would be easy as, but getting into the 1000's would be a little tough, or impossible on your own.

Threads like this have been discussed many times here at WebmasterWorld, I myself remember answering things like this to a couple of them.

Sid

martinibuster

8:18 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I agree with Sid.

Consider this: Many years ago Alexa unsuccessfully positioned itself as a web analytics company to sell statistical information like Nielsen ratings, comscore, mediametrix, etc.

That division went out of business because nobody wanted to purchase their reports. Why not? Because their source data was dubious.

If their data had statistical accuracy their reports would be quoted by the Wall Street Journal, NYT, etc. But no reputable media outlet quotes Alexa data because Alexa data is unreliable.

gethan

10:11 am on Mar 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Had to install the alexa toolbar when a certain competitor started quoting that Alexa proves that their site is busier and therefore better to advertise on. I think visiting my own site a few times a day quashed that, looking forward to uninstalling it very soon.

IMO

below 100,000 - worthless information.

100,000 - 20,000 - some worth.

Agreed on the very high positioned sites: I think the stats do become relevant or at least indicative after the 20,000 mark.