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Year End Tax Deadline Looms

Spending Spree or Hording Cash?

         

Brett_Tabke

12:33 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, you still have 3 calendar days to get those expenses back in line with this years income.

It always seems this time of year is either a frugal attempt at collecting next years income today, or going on some mini spending spree.

Which are you doing?

oilman

6:13 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've never understood this "Buy stuff to save on the tax bill" theory. Why go spend a bunch of cash on stuff you don't really need just lower your tax bill by a lesser amount than you spent?

For example: Let's say you're in a 30% tax bracket - you pay $300 for every $1000 you make. You buy a laptop for $1000. You write off $1000 effectively lowering your income by $1000. This only saves you $300 in taxes and you're still out a net of $700 cash. Yeah you have a new laptop but it's now only worth half what you paid for it so if you hit hard times and had to sell it let's say you could get $500. Now you've saved $300 on tax and got $500 back on the $700 net layout and you are $200 worse off than when you started in the first place and now you're eating Mac and Cheese right out of the pot with a big wooden spoon.

wow - I'm really bored today :)

Mardi_Gras

6:15 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>wow - I'm really bored today

I am too so I'll respond ;)

You are correct, it does not make sense to buy things you don't need to save on taxes. But if you NEED a laptop, and you're planning on buying one soon, it makes sense to buy it in December and see the tax break reflected in 2004.

andy_boyd

12:53 pm on Dec 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Or get a lot of cash in hand work and lower your earnings on paper. ;-) But who would do a thing like that, especially at WW!

jgmiller

7:10 pm on Dec 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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You and a previous poster are partially correct that doing this doesn't make sense except in the first year because once you do it with something like rent you need to keep doing it year after year to just get a zero effect.

However you're assuming that all things remain the same, specifically the tax rate. In reality the tax rate is always dropping, I forget the figures but for a number of year now (even without new cuts) the rates have been dropping. So if you expense some additional items at the end of the new year you can in theory make a bigger hit on the tax bill than you would for next years taxes. It's kind of the opposite of why IRA's work well, you're betting that rates drop.

rcjordan

7:40 pm on Dec 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> doesn't make sense except in the first year because

When tiered tax brackets kick in, then it gets to be a matter of "income averaging," though it has very little effect if you're always in the top bracket anyway.

In the states, we have 'Section 179' which basically lets you expense off rather than depreciate certain balance sheet items. I view it as use-it-or-lose-it, and it does keep the books much simpler rather than having depreciation schedules to maintain.

>Spending Spree or Hording Cash?

I'm on a spending spree.

percentages

8:07 pm on Dec 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>I've never understood this "Buy stuff to save on the tax bill" theory.

Me neither....pay Uncle Sam what he is owed and smile regardless of how much it hurts to write that check :)

>Spending Spree or Hording Cash?

I'm all for hording cash, after Sam's had his slice of me of course. Spending for the sake of reducing taxes never made any sense to me, even in this low interest rate, poor performing investment market ;)

Happy New Year.....Ebenezer %%%%

wackybrit

2:05 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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In the UK, the tax year is (usually) Apr 1st to March 31st. This is kinda cooler, I think, than Jan 1st to December 31st, because it means you get a busy spell in March, as companies spend their profits with you :-) March would, otherwise, be a pretty quiet time of year, whereas December is always busy, end of tax year or not.

(I say 'usually' because you can, to a point, pretty much define your tax year wherever you like in the UK. My father's business even does it almost one year late, meaning he pays taxes now for what he did two years ago. All legit under UK tax law, but a paperwork headache.)

jarvster

3:09 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>In the UK, the tax year is (usually) Apr 1st to March 31st.

The UK tax year is always April 6th to April 5th but as a business (self employed or limited company) you can choose your own accounting dates.

wackybrit

3:32 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The UK tax year is always April 6th to April 5th but as a business (self employed or limited company) you can choose your own accounting dates.

April 6th-April 5th? Wow, there goes my tax knowledge :-) Lucky someone else checks all my figures for me! I'll never forget that now, cheers!

bigjohnt

5:15 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

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last year, did the end of year shopping blitz (its all still in boxes) and sat on a couple end of year invoices.
This year, no shopping blitz, sat on a few invoices, and opened a simple401K.
Got 'til April 15 to fund it.
Time for the accountant to earn his keep and find me a few more juicy deductions I forgot about.
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