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Realnames resolves to -> gone.com

MS backs out

         

heini

1:53 pm on May 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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On 1 July Realnames closes down. MS, holding 20% in the company, stops it's engagement.
About 80 people get fired.
Realnames keywords will probably cease to work.
Washington Post [washingtonpost.com]

Brett_Tabke

4:20 pm on May 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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um...those that subscribe to ds's...he's got a good article on the subject - might surprise a few.

dbowers

7:10 pm on May 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I found one point in Keith Teare's complaints about Microsoft [teare.com] very interesting:
"2. We [Microsoft] do not believe in "Naming", we believe in search. This is because we control search 100% whereas we could never control naming..."

That makes me wonder when (not whether) Microsoft will build/brand their own search services...

I ran a patent search and found over 50 search-engine related patents held by Microsoft, including some indexing and crawling ones...

"Method and system for generating accurate search results using a content-index"
5,701,469 [patft.uspto.gov]

"Network search access construct for accessing web-based search services".
Snippet: "A list of hypertext links related to the keyword is displayed within a frame on the same web page. The list which is displayed in place includes hypertext links to applicable search clips, predefined topic lists, and conventional web sites where the search clips are placed at the top of the list..."
6,256,623 [patft.uspto.gov]

"Method and apparatus for concept searching using a Boolean or keyword search engine"
6,363,373 [patft.uspto.gov]

"Text proximity filtering in search systems using same sentence restrictions"
6,363,374 [patft.uspto.gov]

"Method for searching a file having a format unsupported by a search engine"
Specifically mentions Microsoft Office documents
6,327,589 [patft.uspto.gov]

"Method of web crawling utilizing address mapping"
6,145,003 [patft.uspto.gov]

Most (but not all) of these patents were filed around the time MSN first launched Inktomi-based search services.

william_dw

1:47 am on May 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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To answer your question grnidone, this:
SnapNames.com, Inc., the provider of domain name infrastructure
technology and authoritative industry data and analysis, uses its
patent-pending technologies to facilitate an equal-opportunity
secondary domain name marketplace.

In english translates to....

Snapnames let's you essentially put a deposit on a domain that's already registered. If that domain expires, the moment the registry recieves the DELETE command, SnapNames sends a register request, essentially in the end the following happens:
You want iDontExist.co.xx
You pay SnapNames thier $60 or whatever they charge
If iDontExist.co.xx becomes available, they register it within a few seconds of it becoming available.

Some people use it as an insurance policy, they'll refund you if they dont get it or it doesnt become available, so you can simply pay them to keep an eye on your domains, if you slip up they'll register it for you, if you dont slip up you get the cash back. Of course it can get costly, but for a 3 letter domain it's worth the insurance.

HTH,
Dw

prowsej

2:36 am on May 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Most of Microsoft's patents are defensive. Microsoft generally doesn't use patents agressively. They're certainly no Rambus.

I like what Joel said about that guy: "RealNames is going out of business. They deserve it. It was just a dumb scam to try and establish yet another Verisign-like monopoly on everybody else's trademarks. And it was a "boil the ocean" business plan, one which required everybody on earth to go along with their stupid scheme. And Keith Teare's public crybabying is really quite unprofessional, albeit fun to read."

Rumbas

8:57 am on May 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ha rc, that is a 'blunt' article and a good read. I know a few that I'll send it to.
Thanks.

pageoneresults

2:14 pm on May 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ah, what a coincidence! I just had a client who contacted me a few weeks ago. He was contacted by a reseller of RealNames and made an appointment to meet with them.

I of course informed him that he should investigate this further and sent him a link to RealNames so he could read up before she arrived.

Well, she arrived and pitched the deal to them. $500.00 for each keyword phrase that he wanted to purchase. Mind you, the client already researched information through the RealNames web site and found that he could pay $49.00 per keyword or phrase directly from RealNames.

The client of course had some fun with the woman before they told her that they knew about RealNames and that they already purchased 5 of them just a few days prior at $49.00 each. She was going to charge them $2,500.00 for the 5 keywords or phrases and they paid $245.00 through RealNames directly.

Never really gave RealNames much thought. I did not realize there were resellers out there who were overcharging for this type of service!

Of course I sent an e-mail with a link to this topic and another news article from Search Day. I'm looking forward to hearing their response. I told them from the very first minute, don't waste your money, but they had to find out the hard way. I wonder if there will be any refunds!?

pageoneresults

2:24 pm on May 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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RealNames Shutdown Threatens Asian Naming Market [theregus.com]

VeriSign spokesperson Cheryl Regan said: "With RealNames going out of business there will be an impact" on IDN resolution. She said that RealNames' network will continue to resolve IDNs through IE until June 29, and that VeriSign is seeking a "long term solution". There are several hundred thousand IDNs registered in .com.

Under a deal signed with Japan Registry Service Co Ltd (JPRS) last year, RealNames provides the resolution of all Japanese-character domain names under the .jp country-code top-level domain. With RealNames out of business, JPRS is going to have to find a new way to allow Japanese users to access .jp names come July.

Mikkel Svendsen

10:10 pm on May 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I don't know much (to say the least) about IDN resolution.

Do anybody know if it is the same system (using RealNames) that is used for Scandinavian carachters under .nu?

bill

8:10 am on May 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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We have a little thread about RealNames Shutdown Threatens Asian Naming Market over in the Asia and Pacific Region forum [webmasterworld.com]...

4crests

6:44 pm on May 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

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"Google Killed Realnames"

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-915042.html

ade_uk

2:33 pm on May 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

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i bought a name less than a month ago, feel cheated now... not having much luck considering i paid looksmart a load just before they pulled their stunt...
chargeback time i think

Consumer Info

8:36 pm on May 30, 2002 (gmt 0)



Ok has anyone heard of other companies providing the same service as RealNames?
I have a had two different companies contact me regarding similar services. The first quated me a similar price that I wasnt buying and the second told me that there are now three companies providing the same service. One in Europe and two in the states, also mentioned was that the keywords purchased were going to work on AOL, Netscape and IE..any info would be great and thanks..

bill

4:05 am on May 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ok has anyone heard of other companies providing the same service as RealNames?
Yes, there's a JWord service [webmasterworld.com] being offered thru Excite Japan that does roughly the same thing for Japanese keywords. This was derived from a similar service in China that has been in operation for a few years.

Hannu

3:05 pm on May 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ok has anyone heard of other companies providing the same service as RealNames?

The company who held the Realnames registry rights in Denmark now provides an .exe file (IE plugin I presume) that "updates the Keyword functionality". And they keep selling the product with the same selling points.

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