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I'm in the top 3 & 5 for every damn keyword.

I'm bored.

         

martinibuster

10:55 pm on Jul 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What's worse, everybody shrugs as if reaching the top was a foregone conclusion- I wasn't expecting balloons or funny hats but a little more excitement from some clients and others would be nice.

Grrr.

rcjordan

10:57 pm on Jul 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Welcome! Now go nuke all those noframes sections, you're finished with them. Heh, heh!

digitalghost

3:08 am on Jul 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>> but a little more excitement from some clients and others would be nice

You can earn some clients 3k a month and get a box of good cigars in appreciation, some clients look at 30k per week and say, "that's nice".

If you'd like, I can send you a funny hat... ;)

curlykarl

12:27 pm on Jul 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Same problem here :)

I am very happy, plenty of traffic and sales, but my boss doesn't seem to share my enthusiasm :(

I made him plenty of dollars last month and didn't even get a phone call saying well done or a thank you :(

They seem to forget all the unpaid effort that I have put in, working evenings and weekends to get business where it is today :(

I think I am about ready for a boss-bypass and go it alone :(

Moan over :)

Thank you for listening ;)

tigger

12:30 pm on Jul 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>I think I am about ready for a boss-bypass and go it alone

go for it I did it 10 years ago never looked back

curlykarl

12:41 pm on Jul 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>go for it I did it 10 years ago never looked back

It's the usual things that put me off :(

Young family and the fact that I'm just about to take on a large mortgage

I think I need to take on a non web job to free up some time then go for it :)

Karl

dragonlady7

1:04 pm on Jul 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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People underestimate the importance of competent managers. My company has fallen on hard times and cut a lot of staff. There have been no raises, no bonuses, and now we no longer have a lunch hour-- we have to take an unpaid half-hour for lunch, and that's it.
But we don't need all that. That's not what depresses us and makes the most competent and motivated among us scour the classifieds for other jobs.
The worst thing about working here is that whether you work hard or work very little seems to matter such a small amount. They occasionally dramatically fire someone with years of seniority who hasn't done a **** thing since the late 90's, but they don't then reward the programmer who comes in at 8 every day and leaves at 10 pm, or the guy who stayed until 4 am to get the update out to our clients. The boss never thanks us for our efforts to do the work of 4 people each, and while I could understand how they can't afford to give us bonuses, it's a little galling to overhear the boss talking about the new navigation system he bought for his car. I can't even afford a car.
So... damn this economy, and if any of you ever start a business, I don't care how antisocial you are or how poor your people skills are, you have to make a point of expressing somehow to your employees how grateful you are when they do their jobs well, or go beyond the job description. Money, handshakes, awkward praise, anything is better than simply nothing. Even the most cynical people can't help but be swayed by sincere praise or thanks.
I have a whole list of things I've told myself to do or never to do if I ever am the boss... I guess I've learned from the best at being the worst.

cornwall

1:08 pm on Jul 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>>> but a little more excitement from some clients and others would be nice <<

Get them on the front page of Google for really competitive keywords and next thing you get an email from them "wondering" why they are not also top for a string of other keywords (also competitive) that are only peripheral to their site :(

Had one of those today!

tedster

1:28 pm on Jul 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Think I'll indulge in the moan fest a bit myself. After sitting at #1 and #2 for the prime keyword -- for 18 months -- this current Google "update" has a client oscillating between #1,2 and #5,6 depending on the position of Uranus in the sky or some such thing.

Freak out, urgent phone calls.

Client: "What can we do about this?"
Me: "Has it impacted sales?"
Client: "No, sales are up over same month last year."

I ain't changing nothing, and I am also bored when there's no challenge, even when the pay is good.

jimbo_mac

2:07 pm on Jul 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

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my turn :) Did a site from scratch for my boss.
Three weeks online and the boss wasn't happy with the design, so redesign...no problem.

2 months of huffing & puffing follow as we are not in the serps. (of course, he doesnt want to pay to get in sooner.)

3rd month we are sitting at #1.

Me: Could I have that bonus we discussed :)
Boss - "Pot luck" and a few $K richer.
Me: Bonus so far ($0)

Have been doing my own sites anyway so not really worried :)

martinibuster

4:55 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Update:
I just got a bonus.

rcjordan

5:02 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hey! No fair ...I'm going to talk to the boss. Oh, wait a minute....

Update:
I just got a bonus, too.

Drastic

5:24 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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heh, I asked for a bonus myself.

But, my boss said I haven't worked since May.

Go figure...

rcjordan

5:25 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>haven't worked since May

Affiliate scum!

jimbo_mac

5:32 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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martinibuster, rcjordan - you've just ruined my friday afternoon :)

dragonlady7

5:53 pm on Jul 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

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My boss just came and went over the site I just spent 3 months redesigning to his specifications and told me he wanted it re-redesigned.

What he's proposing would pretty much knock out every single thing he asked for, and would make it look roughly the same as it did when I started.

Oh well. I've learned a whole lot in the process, and if he wants to pay me for three months and then pay me for another two to put it back like it was, then that's his business.

I'm having trouble being as philosophical as I sound, and I want to kill him, but it's Friday afternoon and I'm going to escape soon, and I won't have to listen to him or see his smarmy greasy face for several days.
Oh dear. I'm getting unprofessional now. And he's just walked up behind me. Perhaps I need to go home and drink heavily now.
(Well, I won't be going home for several hours. I'm quick with the minimize button. Good reflexes, me!)

So, when he said "frames" he was talking out his a**, but he really did want me to make a series of nonsensical changes. Isn't life wonderful!

JudgeJeffries

2:09 am on Jul 12, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Havent you lot heard of de-optimisation.
Sink the site, sink them and move on to other more congenial employment.
I did it a year ago and had great pleasure in telling them to stick their double pay offer when they came begging.
There are plenty of fish in the sea.

dragonlady7

2:08 pm on Jul 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>move on to other more congenial employment

Flaws in that: It took me 8 months to find THIS job. Finding another job? I don't even know. The economy's not really very good, some people have been noticing lately.
Especially as this is my first job out of college, I have a fixed lease in this area until next Feb., and have so many thousands of dollars in student loan debt that I can't pay my bills as it is.
So just packing up and leaving this job isn't much of an option, and I certainly can't do a bad job here and then try to hunt for a new job, because I haven't exactly got an extensive portfolio. And if I add in that I can't get a recommendation from my only job so far? Not looking rosy.

I'm jealous of all of you with your... employment mobility, let's just say... self-direction is another. I'd love to work for myself but it's too hard just now.

Not that i don't have an exit strategy or two in mind (anyone would be mad not to!), it just needs another good long while before it's ready.

But, a girl can dream... [webmasterworld.com]

ThatAdamGuy

2:59 am on Jul 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Dragonlady, I definitely feel your pain!

I've been on the receiving end of amazingly wonderful bosses and also terribly horrid bosses.

What amazes me about the latter group is the sheer cluelessness. I can understand folks being simply not-nice, but you'd think that when people get to a particularly high level, they'd have a more clear understanding about how even moderately thoughtful motivation can end up boosting their department's bottom line.

And at risk of sounding anti-American here, I will note (both from my knowledge and personal comparative experiences) that U.S. employers are towards the bottom of the heap when it comes to managing people-resources.

After [x] hours of working per day or per week, productivity declines measureably. Contrast this with the typically more-forward-thinking European way of doing things... offering decent (and paid) FULL lunch hours, providing enough vacation time so you can actually recharge instead of spending half your meager time off just planning the damn vacation, and so on.

Cynics will retort that the U.S. has a higher productivity-rate-per-person or whatever the official name in comparison with many European countries. Sure. That's fine. But we also have a much higher incidences of heart disease, higher incidences of cancer, higher suicide rates, and -- at the end of it -- higher mortality rates.

So yeah, it does seem like a great many folks here are literally being worked to death.

With that said, there are enough wonderful companies in the U.S. that DO get it. Unfortunately, they're getting 10,000 resumes for every open position <sigh>.

All I can say (with honest optimism) is that the pendulum will eventually swing the other way, and those employers who were thoughtless or even downright abusive will get their comeuppance. People rightly have loooooong memories for good and for bad ;)

martinibuster

4:54 am on Jul 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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U.S. employers are towards the bottom of the heap when it comes to managing people-resources.

I have found that the BIG companies suffer from the "Dilbert syndrome" where everybody's expendable and worthless and the managers make dubious and capricious decisions. I have a feeling that this syndrome transcends borders and can be found in the U.S., U.K., India, China, Germany, etc...

Politics aside, I have a great respect for the Ronald Reagan style of management. His method was to hire the best people in their respective fields (PR, Law, etc.) and follow their advice to the letter.

His rationale was that he was paying them to do their jobs and he better damn well let them do their jobs. He was wise enough to know his strengths but modest enough to acknowledge his limitations.

I have found that the smaller companies with good products are open to taking on the best in their fields, building cracker-jack teams, and keeping them happy.

Let's not get into Europe versus America because that's too general and generalizations never hold up to the complexity and depth of the human condition.

MsHuggys

5:12 am on Jul 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Bosses? Oh dear.You all need to rethink that. I've been in ecommerce for ten years now, and I can't imagine punching a clock, or desk inspections for neatness. Most of the time I can't even find my shoes to check the mail...casual Monday through Saturday.

I have no whiner clients, there must be a God, and he knows old women have no patience for whiners...we hate the competition.

rcjordan

12:54 pm on Jul 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>rethink that

Not me. When I started this venture one of the bedrock requirements was that it be a virtual business and -more specifically- ZERO employees. 2 years later, I ditched all the clients (in the usual sense, we do have sponsors buying ad space). Though I've had some very enticing/lucrative offers, I've remained steadfast on this. I will admit that sometimes it would have been faster, easier, and even cheaper to just hire someone, but I still say that the zero-employee rule is the best decision I've made in a long while.

>shoes

Other business involvements do make me find my shoes on occassion.