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peewhy

12:22 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This isn't aimed at anybody in particular, it relates to fora in general.

Who doesn't look at the 'label' of an individual and make a sub-consious judgment?

By label I mean - 'Junior Member'... other fora use 'newby' etc.

So here I am, 46 years old, been involved in marketing for thirty years and internet marketing since '96 - and I'm a junior! I often wonder sometimes when I post, not here, but elsewhere, whether my message is invisible because I haven't got enough numbers attached.

I'm guilty, because I do it too, not ignore, but look at the 'status' and tend to make a judgement - it's wrong I know, but I'm sure I'm not alone.

It's like an incentive system, reward points - the more you post, the higher you climb.

So, 'serialposter' ... hope there isn't anyone called Serialposter if so, it's not you!

So, 'serial poster' spreads himself out with mindless banter, posts in anything going and reaches the sky with super labels and high ranking status.

Is there a danger that a true green newby could look at serialposter's rank and number and think he's some sort of guru?

....never mind, it's nearly the weekend and Monday is a whole new day.

Serialposter, if you are there, I love you!

ShawnR

1:39 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Instead of a categorisation which applies across all your posts, how about a per-post self-assessment submitted with the post. e.g. When you post, you have to check a radio-button to categorise your post. For example, options could be:
- I have no clue and I am asking for help
- I don't know but here is a suggestion
- I'm reasonably certain but I'm no expert in this
- I am an expert in this and this is the way it is

[edited by: ShawnR at 1:41 pm (utc) on June 20, 2003]

Nick_W

1:40 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>big brother - ish

Not at all.

I just mean that we don't actually know the reason or thinking behind it as BT has not said. We are assuming...

Nick

[edited by: Nick_W at 1:40 pm (utc) on June 20, 2003]

glengara

1:40 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Rate this post button. ;-)

DaveN

1:41 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I not here for a social experiment I'm here to learn from people who are more knowledgeable than me and teacher people who are less knowledgeable than me.

two votes

a) useful
b) not useful

Dave

Marketing Guy

1:46 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>I am not a big fan of a karma system. It usually becomes a popularity system. Post count does not make any choices about who you are. It is cut and dry about your use of the board and should be treated as such.

I wasn't meaning a system where say someone views your profile and it says:

Marketing_Guy says: Korkus is great!
Other_member says: Korkus stole my cat!

More a system when people click to recommend someone. A simple recommend post count with no text, and no "rating" and no positive or negative values.

It simply represents the amount of members who view your input as valuable.

Itīs not open to abuse because each member could only "vote" for any one other member once - I couldnt vote several times for Korkus, but I could vote for Korkus once, Mack once, Craig once, etc. Also no comments or negative votes could be made, so members couldnt use it to have a go at other members.

But what it would do, is offer a reference for newer members. If a poster has many "votes" then it indicates that other people rate this person. Safety in numbers! ;)

Scott

peewhy

1:47 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think that in most fora, there are these types;

lurkers - you'll never know they are there, they don't post but they read.

takers - they'll post when they want something and take what they want.

members - they'll ask for help and give help when it's needed - like Dave and many others.

Whereas both Dave and I have the same objectives - I'm a mere junior...I always wanted to be a milk monitor as school but they never let me!

I'm not suggesting Lurkers, Takers and Members should be grades ... before I get attacked!

[edited by: peewhy at 1:51 pm (utc) on June 20, 2003]

ukgimp

1:48 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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peewhy

what do you know, you only a junior member. Come back when you reach the loft heights of senior :):)

Nick_W

1:50 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ukgimp, what do you know? You only have 888 posts, come back when you hit 3000 heheheheheheheh ;);)

Nick

peewhy

1:53 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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UK_Gimp, I'll never be able to reach your heights but at least I can dream and aspire -- with a little hero worship too :) :)

vitaplease

1:55 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How about 3000 posts and a count down towards zero?

No more postings thereafter.

After that you expire into an archived member and you apply for new junior-ship ;)

Thats it weekend.
I'm off for drinks, dinner, cigars and more tonight.

[edited by: vitaplease at 1:56 pm (utc) on June 20, 2003]

ukgimp

1:55 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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ok ok you got me :) lol

<added>I'm off for drinks, dinner, cigars and more tonight.</added>

hmmm beer....

peewhy

1:59 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yep, I'mm off now, but no doubt I'll log on a little later to see how far this went!

Have a very pleasant weekend chaps.

I suppose UK_Gimp will be doing the naked bit around a circle of rocks tommorow :)

DaveN

2:00 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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vote at best should be set at level where upstanding members and people who have been around forever (senior members) are the only ones who can vote.

other wise voting abuse would take place.

DaveN1 voted for DaveN
DaveN2 voted for DaveN
DaveN3 voted for DaveN
DaveN4 voted for DaveN
DaveN5 voted for DaveN
DaveN6 voted for DaveN
DaveN7 voted for DaveN
DaveN8 voted for DaveN
Nick_w voted for Daven
DaveN10 voted for DaveN

DaveN

Marketing Guy

2:06 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I think the effort going into bumping someoneīs status by registering many usernames would outweigh the use - why bother?

One nice feature though could be to ban members from the Google Update thread until at least 2000 posts! ;)

Scott

(have a good weekend folks - i still got 4 hours of "work" left....)

Nick_W

2:09 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Scott, we do not do the 'W' word in FOO on Friday! ;)

Nick

mona

2:11 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you spend enough time reading here, it shouldn't take you long to figure out who knows their stuff;)

Digitalghost is a great example. I think it took about 3 posts for me to start paying attention when I saw his(?) name.

Post counts or member levels are like the green bar - a nice feature, but it only tells one part of the tale...

ukgimp

2:11 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am supposed to be doing W. As you can see they are etting their monies worth today :)

Marketing Guy

2:16 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>Scott, we do not do the 'W' word in FOO on Friday!

Sorry, Ill read the TOS.......

(is that a 10 post count penalty for breaking a rule.....;))

Scott

Nick_W

2:21 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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For breaking that rule scott you get locked in a room with me, papabaer, tedster, DrDoc and Suzy and the rest of the CSS crew and SHOW US YOUR SITES ;)

I'd better not find any <font> tags young man!

hehe

Nick

Marketing Guy

2:29 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

<runs away>

Have to confess that most people on this board had better technical skills than me BEFORE they learned about web design! :)

Fortunately I learned a lot about SEO from WW (and some minor experimentation), and get by on my Interpersonal skills (read: wit and charm...)

I donīt think any of us would survive if we were locked in a room looking at my sites.....


......Frontpage makes messy code and I haven't used any CSS......

<breaks down into a hysterical mess...>

Scott :)

atadams

3:51 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I posted this behind the velvet rope:

The site I've experienced with the best way of ranking posts and members is the Motley Fool (www.fool.com). Members can click on a "recommend" link for any post. The number of recommends a post has received is shown with the post so you can tell which posts the community recommends reading.

The quality of a member is shown by their recommends to post ratio. So a member who averages 5.3 recs per post could be considered a better quality poster than someone who gets a 2.1 recs:post ratio.

dcheney

11:38 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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IMO, some sort of classification of members is helpful (beyond just admin/non-admin). Its not that I won't respond to questions of a newer member, but I tend to read them differently. In other words, I assume a higher classified person is more likely to be using the various SE technical terms correctly, etc.

FYI, I tend to read quite a few posts here, but I typically don't comment unless I have something to add that isn't already there (so not very often, unless I happen across a thread at its start ;-)

peewhy

5:38 am on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>I assume a higher classified person is more likely to be using the various SE technical terms correctly, etc.

Need I say more?

RonPK

11:14 am on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What about relating the post count to the specific forum? I mean, an expert Google watcher and frequent poster in forum 3 can be totally ignorant of CSS, for instance.

mil2k

1:41 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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What about relating the post count to the specific forum? I mean, an expert Google watcher and frequent poster in forum 3 can be totally ignorant of CSS, for instance.

Very Applicable to me. You talk about google or keyword selection and I will know my stuff. But you ask for my comment in HTML and Browsers or CSS I would run away :) This is a very good thread because much of what peewhy says is true. I have talked to various board members and when I reveal my age they are kind Of I always thought you to be a senior member ;) But then as mona said

If you spend enough time reading here, it shouldn't take you long to figure out who knows their stuff

This is very true because some member posts are extremely good. I know whom to approach if i need some clarification for Pagerank, Directories, Link development, Content Creation, Cloaking, Research material etc. And this after just four months in this forum! Giving a post count is helpful because we know the person is familiar with the rules of the board.

peewhy

2:13 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I just noticed that in my personal profile, my post count of 82 - is frozen, so no matter how much I post, I remain a Junior Member ... A Peter Pan in cyberspace!

peewhy

2:16 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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... or could it be an admin joke?

korkus2000

2:16 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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peewhy posting in foo and community exchange does not increase your post count.

peewhy

2:20 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Is there one for fool?

peewhy

2:22 pm on Jun 21, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've just posted one in Google Update - and its still 82?
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