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When will SEO agencies people stop calling

and asking who "is responsible for the marketing of the website"...

         

edit_g

2:08 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I am sick and tired of having debates with "won't take no for an answer" sales people about:

1. Dorway pages, and how I don't care if it produces great results for all our competitors pages, which I know that it doesnt.

2. We can get you to nr. 1 positions in overture and espotting. Really, what magical method might you be using?

3. Lycos banners (you know who you are!).

4. Offering me advertising space on search engines which pop-under dead domains and other strange sites.

5. Telling me: "wouldn't you like to be top in Google for relevant keyword A?" Do some research mr. sales person - I already am!

6. And the worst phrase of all "10,000 quality leads for just £499"

/rant over. I'm sorry. I'm having a bad day with these people.

Nick_W

2:11 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Well, if they're asking for 'who is responsible for marketing the site' they're asking for the wrong person as well as being annoying.

There's worse things than have sales people ringing you: BAD sales people ringing you!

Nick

engine

2:12 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>When will SEO agencies people stop calling

When they go out of business. ;-)

Those that are any good don't need to call.

Have a sit down and a nice cup of earl grey - here comes the weekend. ;-)

Macguru

2:17 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I know the pain. I run a small SEO agency.

When asked who "is responsible for the marketing of the website", some of my clients transfer them all to us. :(

[edited by: Macguru at 2:28 pm (utc) on May 16, 2003]

Marketing Guy

2:22 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I had to get all those calls transfered to me - the boss kept making appointments with them and signing up! :(

"But they say our site will be seen by 100000 people...."

I also hate the emails that have a little screenshot of your site and say, "do you know that your site cant be found in major search engines?".

Er, I beg to differ......

Scott :)

Receptional Andy

2:28 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)



I try and see the funny side of these calls (you have to...)

"See the little boxes on the right hand side? That's where YOU could be listed!"

"See the normal results on the left hand side? Well that's me at the top."
<click>

:)

topr8

2:32 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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hey - i actually enjoy chats with those guys (never got a girl yet)

i like to let the conversation run and see how they work their routine, i find it quite enlightening to see how they pitch.

gingerbreadman

2:39 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Annoying most of the time but sometimes I do let them run with it just to see how much bull**** they are prepared to come out with to get a sale.

Mike12345

2:46 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Dont get me started, i was forced to break my moral boundaries the other day when i was talking to a lady who insisted that she had an affiliation with google.

After reading the part of the Google guidelines that underlines that in no way is google affiliated with seo's blaa blaa blaa to her, i lost my patience and swore at her.

She then rang me back after i slammed the phone down in anger, and *gasp* i was forced into swearing again.

I sympathise with you edit_g.

stlouislouis

2:48 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How about responding:

"That would be Mr. Smith. Hold on and I'll transfer you...".

You of course, put them on hold....until they hang up.

bunltd

2:53 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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had one tell me that "it's not a doorway page" it's "name of what they call doorways not mentioned so as not to name specifics - page"

And when he sent me to look at one of those pages - it was a barely "cloaked" meta refresh stuffed with keywords and keyword-links that made no sense... Still it was entertaining. Oh and they don't actually submit to anyone - or DO anything to your site... SEO without the "O"

And then he offered a greatly reduced rate, if I'd call him back by the end of the day and commit. Yeah, that happened.

LisaB

AnneG

2:54 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I feel your pain too.

However, I must say, it is pretty great when one calls up and you know more about SEO than they do. They get all flustered and don't know what to say.

And yet, some STILL won't take no for an answer.

kevinpate

2:55 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm transferring you to our senior v-p for marketing, Mister Yul B. Holden.

Macguru

2:56 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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LOL!

Coffee all over the place again!

Marketing Guy

3:07 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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It is fun to seem interested and throw really difficult questions at them, or catch them in a lie. I had the Lycos sponsored listings company on the phone for about 30 minutes (got passed to supervisor after 10...).

Scott :)

Mike12345

3:35 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have to admit i do get rather furstrated, it is fun to tell them about the company that they work for. To which other companies they are related or what other company names they use. Anyone familiar with Touch, TPC etc etc will be familiar with this. ;)

richardb

3:40 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Got that beat Scott passed on after 5 :P

When you get bored of playing with them just tell them that your Geo targeting is something like Bishop Rock. Stops the conversation dead :)

Rich

George

6:59 pm on May 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

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When I have had enough, I love to say, "well thankyou, Goodbye..."

I used to just put the phone down then, (as they still talked at me).
Now I keep listening, to see how many times I can say "goodbye" before they get the hint and finally go.

My record is easy to beat, only 5 times. I works with double glazing, insurance etc, etc.

Any chalengers? :)

George

Robert Charlton

2:16 am on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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>>some of my clients transfer them all to us<<

This can be a real pain. I had one client who used to send me all the spam he received about web marketing, and then he asked me questions that took time to answer about the nonsense he was forwarding.

This reminds me to come up with some sort of a tactfully worded paragraph to put into my initial agreement or working agenda to the effect that most of this stuff is nonsense and I don't want to see it. Anyone have some wording that won't offend?

PatrickDeese

2:38 am on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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This reminds me to come up with some sort of a tactfully worded paragraph to put into my initial agreement or working agenda to the effect that most of this stuff is nonsense and I don't want to see it. Anyone have some wording that won't offend?

I always remind my clients that these ppl are using the search engines to find them.

Then I usually point them to Google's SEO page which has that great quote that compares unsolicited emails from SEO companies to nigerian fraud letters.

After reading the Word from Great Google, most of them bow their heads reverently and never mention the subject again. ;)

john316

3:34 am on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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> When will SEO agencies people stop calling

When folks stop buying.

macrost

5:56 pm on May 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I had an email from one, did a little googling on them and really found nothing. Sent them a reply asking why they were't indexed at all in Google, and still haven't had a reply! ;)
Mac