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unexceed, deceed, undercede?

our language has a hole in it

         

httpwebwitch

2:47 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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There is no antonym for "exceed".

I'm writing error messages, and one is "maximum length exceeded".

There is no correlating word meaning length < minimum.

I could write "the length is less than the minimum length" but you can see that's way more wordy than the succinct meaning of "exceed"

jdMorgan

3:21 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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True, but...

"maximum length exceeded"
"input string too short"

Jim

SuzyUK

3:28 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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"minimum length not met"?

another hole?
I recently discovered something about our English language that I hadn't known too, as we here in Scotland have a word for it. It's not in the dictionary....yet ;)

antonym for within =

httpwebwitch

3:37 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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without?
outside?

what is this mysterious Scottish word?

Syzygy

3:59 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Now's your chance to add a new word to our vast lexicon. Like business, generally the key to success is to find the gap in the market!

unexceed
noxceed
nonexceed
antiexceed
deexceed
underexceed
exceedless
understep

Alternatively, borrow the word from another language, anglicise it.

Dutch: overschrijden or overtrekken.

Italian: oltrepassare or eccessivamente

French: excéder or dépasser.

Once you have your word, just stick an un-, anti-, non-, de- or similar in front of it!

anti-overschrijden
under-overtrekken
non-oltrepassare
de-eccessivamente
non-excéder
un-dépasser

Voila! C'est tres buono, echt waar?

;-)

Syzygy

SuzyUK

4:15 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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official antonym is apparently "outside of"

>what is this mysterious Scottish word?
= "outwith"

I honestly didn't know it wasn't a real word such is widespread usage here.

"outwith the scope", "outwith these premises" , "outwith my control"

interestingly a Google News search right now is showing 157 results for the word, which appears mostly in Scottish Newspapers.

maybe it'll make into the dictionary some day - I didn't change my page, which uses it twice, out of a sense of patriotism if the nationals can use it so can I :)

Murdoch

4:19 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Exceed's latin root is excedere, past participle of excessus which means "to go beyond"

It's proper antonym would then be recede, whose latin root is recedere, past participle of recessus, which means "going back from".

Technically neither word means to be more or less than the required parameters.

marcel

4:48 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I would write "minimum length not met", but how about "Minimum length not exceeded"? ;o)

Syzygy

5:31 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Outwith - maybe it'll make into the dictionary some day

I have the second of the two volume New Oxford Shorter English Dictionary open in front of me, at the letter O. It says:

outwith Chiefly north. & sc. 1 Of position: outside of, beyond. 2 Of motion: out of, away from.

Syzygy

SuzyUK

6:09 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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well that's cool, learned two things about one word in two weeks!

1. Outwith is a Scottish word, and
2. not to ignore my old faithful dictionary in favour of online ones!

now that I've dug out old faithful, I see it's there too - 8th Edition Concise Oxford, old as the hills :)

trillianjedi

6:12 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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"length insufficient" ?

topr8

6:17 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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>>"length insufficient" ?

ah its tj, i thought for a moment we'd been invated by a spam bot!

King_Fisher

6:22 pm on May 30, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Is this whole thread talking about male enhancement?...KF

phranque

2:30 am on May 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

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the word is bonk!

my vote for the missing word would be insuffice.
in your case i would go with a usage of insufficient as an adjective or maybe unsatisfied as a verb.

sonjay

10:39 am on May 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Error messages for users? Who need to understand the error message so that they can act on it appropriately?

Don't make up any new words, or use words that they may not understand. Use something understandable, like "too short" (as suggested by jdMorgan in post #2).

"Password too short" is meaningful and tells me exactly how to fix it. "Password insufficient" or "Password outside parameters" will be meaningless gobbledygook to most users, and does not inform them, clearly and succinctly, what they need to do to fix it.

Old_Honky

12:03 pm on May 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

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using a similar example:
"password exceeded" doesn't work for me.

dcheney

1:23 pm on May 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

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sonjay,

Of course you don't want to be too clear ... users might be offended at seeing "User too stupid" even though it often fits the situation ;-)

ronin

1:30 pm on May 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

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The most direct antonym for to exceed that I can think of is to fall short of.

But I think Sonjay is absolutely correct and it's better to say to the user:

Password too long (12 characters maximum) or Password too short (6 characters minimum) and leave it at that.

The common southern English translation for outwith is without. (No really).

Sam was up betimes next day, and having partaken of a hasty breakfast, prepared to return to London. He had scarcely set foot without the house, when his father stood before him.

Dickens, Charles, "Chapter 27: Samuel Weller Makes A Pilgrimage To Dorking, And Beholds His Mother-In-Law" in The Posthumous Papers Of The Pickwick Club

httpwebwitch

2:44 pm on May 31, 2008 (gmt 0)

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if the opposite of "within" (to be inside the confines of) is "without", then the opposite of "with" should be "unwith". As in, "I like my coffee unwith sugar, please."

Old_Honky

5:07 pm on Jun 1, 2008 (gmt 0)

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if the opposite of "within" (to be inside the confines of) is "without", then the opposite of "with" should be "unwith". As in, "I like my coffee unwith sugar, please."

One of the things that makes English such a special language is that often logic (in grammar and spelling) is suspended. I am unwith irony when I say that.

timster

3:07 pm on Jun 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

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minimum unmet

Samizdata

4:03 pm on Jun 3, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Amusing as this thread is I think it is missing the obvious.

"Maximum xx characters"

"Minimum xx characters"

Clear, concise, informative.