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Blogs? Easier to tell people my own domain name than mygoofyname.social.networking.com/blog582491059283721981.
Pictures and videos? Same deal.
Password-protected file access? Still easier on my own site.
And friends? Easier to get in real life! ;)
Call me old-fashioned if you want to, but I just don't get social networking at all after my brief foray into it.
But don't worry, Matthew, there's a ray of hope...
InformationWeek: How Your Creepy Ex-Co-Workers Will Kill Facebook [informationweek.com]
Facebook is no paragon of virtue. It bears the hallmarks of the kind of pump-and-dump service that sees us as sticky, monetizable eyeballs in need of #*$!ing. The clue is in the steady stream of emails you get from Facebook: "So-and-so has sent you a message." Yeah, what is it? Facebook isn't telling -- you have to visit Facebook to find out, generate a banner impression, and read and write your messages using the halt-and-lame Facebook interface, which lags even end-of-lifed email clients like Eudora for composing, reading, filtering, archiving and searching.
Oh no, what have I said now?
Social networking is a whole different thing for me than that of websites or blogging. It's totally interactive - I wouldn't expect everyone I know to come visit my websites, but we're all there on Facebook, chatting and keeping in touch.
The people I interact with on FB are all people I know in the real world. I turn down requests from people I don't know (or don't like!) because I don't want everyone knowing my business, and for the same reason I don't belong to a network.
I think maybe FB appeals to certain ages and social groups, because it would be no fun if you didn't have lots of friends who were using it. I think anyone who underestimates it or dismisses it as a passing fad is very misguided.
I think anyone who underestimates it or dismisses it as a passing fad is very misguided.
The possible exception is you tube, but the gems are fast sinking under a great raft of mindless drivel and it will soon be unusable for humans.
MatthewHSE> Essentially, you're right. Social network profiles are for those who can't setup blogs. Just as blogs are for those who can't setup websites.
I see all these "me-too" Web2 sites as lowest common denominator entertainment for the generation that's been conned into thinking reality TV is entertainment and Rap has anything to do with music
Probably straying a little off topic but...
That's just an opinion :) Rap is music, poetry, art etc. whether you appreciate it or not. Lots of people find reality TV entertaining, it's not all mindless and bad.
I used to be "with it." But then they changed what "it" was. Now what I'm "with" isn't "it" and what's "it" seems weird and scary to me. It'll happen to you.
Abe Simpson
That's just an opinion :) Rap is music, poetry, art etc. whether you appreciate it or not.
That's also just an opinion. :~}
So is this.
What I was trying to get at is when people say that an art form isn't art simply because they don't like or understand it. I don't think the current generation is being 'conned'. I'm sure our parents, grandparents etc. probably said similar things about rock music and the surrounding culture.
Facebook and such sites are probably more relevant and useful to young people, but if you're going to work in this field I don't think you can afford to ignore it!
I do understand it. I don't like it because it is the sort of art that virtually anyone without noticeable talent can produce. It is not poetry but crude doggerel. Most people could come up with something pointless that nearly rhymes and speak it unintelligibly over a percussion backing track if they really wanted to.
Don't assume I am some old saddo who wants to denigrate everything young. Au contraire. :~} In fact I am an old saddo who quite likes a lot of modern music. Real Music that is. The only music I really hate is country and western but that's another argument...
[edited by: Old_Honky at 5:09 pm (utc) on Dec. 3, 2007]
I don't like it because it is the sort of art that virtually anyone without noticeable talent can produce.
I hear some of these hip-hop stars get paid rather well - perhaps you should get in on the act if you're pretty confident anyone can do it? ;)
That's exactly what I used to say to my dad back in the 80s when he used to say the same thing about electro music
I hear some of these hip-hop stars get paid rather well - perhaps you should get in on the act if you're pretty confident anyone can do it? ;)I said anyone could do it. I didn't say I wanted to do it. There are some things a gentleman never does whatever the financial incentive.
That's exactly what I used to say to my dad back in the 80s when he used to say the same thing about electro musicThis generation conflict thing isn't always true, in the 60's my mum and dad loved the Beatles and the Stones and when I told them about the pirate stations they became listeners to Radio Caroline and Radio London. They still liked the big band stuff and the inkspots etc but they recognised that the 60's music was good and that there were a lot of talented people writing good songs.
My son (now in his 30's - just - I started young) loves music from the Doors and Hendrix. He went through a bad patch when he was a spice girls fan but I don't think that was much to do with their music. Now like me, he listens to a wide range of music and agrees that "Rap" is not actually music as it requires no musical ability to produce just a sense of rhythm and the ability to string words together.
IMHO calling "Rap" music is like calling tiddlywinks a sport.
And how far off the topic are we exactly, at this point?
Completely on topic, as we are all socially nerdwanking! And isn't that what the "WebmasterWorld water cooler" - Foo - is for?
Just look: Someone just had a baby [webmasterworld.com]; Someone else is looking for a lost friend [webmasterworld.com], a member missing in action [webmasterworld.com] or wants a new friend [webmasterworld.com]; Happy [webmasterworld.com] Birthday [webmasterworld.com] and Seasons [webmasterworld.com] Greetings [webmasterworld.com]!; Why are we here [webmasterworld.com]? What do you listen to [webmasterworld.com]? What do you look like [webmasterworld.com]? What do you speak [webmasterworld.com]? And what are your personal hygiene [webmasterworld.com] habits [webmasterworld.com]?
We are only fooling ourselves if we think we're not part of the social nerdwanking crowd. We're just doin' it ol' school style - in an online sense, at least. We do get it, because we are doing it and have been for years, even if we lack in gaudy animated GIFs proclaiming, "Thanks for replying to my thread!"
Oh yeah, when it comes to Rap, Ted Nugent [tednugent.com] has to be my fave!
:)
I guess that's one of the reasons I'm quite taken aback by some of the negative feeling towards certain social networking sites which I come across on WW. We have all been doing it for years!
Second, if you don't like the genre, you're not well positioned to judge what it takes to produce a "good" rap song. Maybe they all sound equally bad to you, but for a fan of rap, there are big differences, and not all musicians have what it takes to really make it work. (Don't worry, I don't get it either)
Third, that stream of email messages from Facebook annoys the hell out of me.
the sort of art that virtually anyone without noticeable talent can produce. It is not poetry but crude doggerel.
Old_Honky, I can't help but think you have listened to very few of them, probably all the wrong ones :)
I do understand a few of them. I like some of them and I can't say it is not 'music'.
Old_Honky, what is music for you anyway?
[edited by: Habtom at 4:53 am (utc) on Dec. 6, 2007]
