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"White" hat = good
"Black" hat = evil
Black and white are used in terminology all the time but not normally with one having an actual negative connotation attached to the colour "It's all there in black and white" makes no distinction whereas this SEO terminology does. Lawyers are always looking for a good racism lawsuit, why haven't they tried this angle yet? Lots of money in the internet world to hack away at ... ;)
Disclaimer: no of course I don't think it is an actual racist slur myself but with everyone taking offense to everything these days I'm really surprised that someone hasn't already mentioned this?
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It refers to the colors of the hats worn by good guys and bad guys in old movies
So what? Here in the UK, the government can invent a department that takes offense to everything. This departments achievements so far include:
Changing 'Baa Baa black sheep' to 'Baa baa rainbow sheep'.
Changing 'school blackboards to 'chalkboards'.
Changing 'Dustmen' to 'Sanitation Engineer'.
I believe they're now working on a gay fairy tale where a king marries a prince. So kids of age 4 can be sexually confused.
Hahaha, that's really funny! Great joke, Dabrowski!
Then some small voice inside me said, "Go ahead, search the phrase..." Something cold crept down my spine when I saw the SERPs, then I felt queasy when I read the story...
Nursery opts for 'rainbow' sheep [news.bbc.co.uk]
Next up, no more "Ring Around The Rosie" as it's disrespectful to the dead? Err, our dearly departed?
Hmm, I guess that means Rupert The Bear & Golliwog don't hang-out together anymore? Rupert was why I wanted a red jumper as a kid - and got one, with a yellow plaid scarf as a bonus!
Yeah this whole P.C. thing is a bit too much for me. Does anyone remember why the professor (Anthony Hopkins) lost his job in The Human Stain? Fictional, but a perfect example, society had become far to sensitive and our language is descending into the DoubleSpeak of 1984.
Judge: Why do you people call yourselves black? You look more brown than black.
Steve Biko: Why do you call yourselves white? You look more pink than white.
Oops, Mr. Biko seems to be right :)
When issue of black and white comes in any discussion, two lines from Cry Freedom comes to my mind
I don't know whether I should admit this as I may be branded as something I'm not ... but the thing that comes to my mind is always that Star Trek episode "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield". It really has to be the absolute best portrayal of the ludicrous nature of racism based on colour. Two men hate each other, both have faces that are one-half white and one-half black:
Bele - "It is obvious to the most simpleminded that Lokai is of an inferior breed."
Spock - "The obvious visual evidence, Commissioner, is that he is of the same breed as yourself."
Bele - "Are you blind, Commander Spock? Well, look at me. Look at me!"
Spock - "You're black on one side and white on the other."
Bele - "I am black on the right side."
Spock - "I fail to see the significant difference."
Bele - "Lokai is white on the right side. All of his people are white on the right side."
I am not a trekkie, please do not start spamming me with items you have for sale like William Shatners used tissues ...
use the word black in a negative way
Black and white have traditionally been used to represent good/life and evil/death throughout history, in all sorts of media.
Star Wars: The Dark Side
Harry Potter: The Dark Lord
17th Century London: The black death.
In religion, Jesus is portrayed as white, yet he was born in the middle east. What are the chances?
Also black and white are just used to describe things of that colour. If I wanted to describe a black man, I would call him black. That's not an insult, that's just the colour he is.
Likewise, I wouldn't be offended if a black man described me as white (or pinkish!).
I think there are very few actual racist slurs, I think most of the 'problems' are caused by people taking offence where none was intended.
In religion, Jesus is portrayed as white, yet he was born in the middle east.
Other countries tend to depict Jesus as looking like themselves: search for Ethiopian images of Jesus for example.
Incidentally, Middle Easterners look pretty much the same as Europeans in skin colour (not quite in features) to Africans or South Asians.
Black and white have traditionally been used to represent good/life and evil/death throughout history
Anyone that bothers about silly semantics needs to get a life.
I think the problem has become just that, the focus on the actual "words" rather than the "intent" behind them. If you actually say a word that is deemed offensive by ... well, whoever is in charge of deeming what people should find offensive ... then you have actually offended someone apparently, whether the intent was to offend or not or whether there was even someone around that would be offended by that.
You can offend by proxy now by saying something that someone else could find offensive in the presence of someone who wishes to report you for saying something that someone else who was not present might have found offensive.
But to get back on track, every other industry has scandals and lawsuits regarding race, sex and age so why has it not come up in this industry? Never heard of someone quitting the use of an SEO because they were black or about Google not hiring woman because they think men are better at algorithms.
Is the internet industry completely gender-neutral, race-neutral and age-neutral?
Temporarily ignoring the fact that "race" itself is a long outdated proto-anthropological term (from before the 19th century) which has at times been used interchangeably with "nationality" and which actually has no genetic or biological meaning whatsoever - it does not fit in anywhere in the hierarchy of species, genus etc. (can you imagine there being "races" of dogs or "races" of fish?) - races as we commonly recognise them might include Indo-European, South Asian, East Asian, Middle Eastern, West African, East African, North American etc.
We might use colours as perjorative or as neutral shorthand for these "races of continents" but that's all they are.
To try to then argue that because a yellow card in football denotes a lesser infraction than a red card is somehow imperialist / racist because it suggests that Chinese people are less undesirable than Native Americans is just silliness on many levels.
The whole idea of 'race' is supremacist bunk articulated to shore up military imperialism, cultural imperialism, mass religious conversion, slavery, colonialism, land appropriation, segregation and God knows what other tragic, if otherwise ridiculous, injustices.
It makes about as much (and possibly less) sense as dividing humanity into right-handed, left-handed and ambidextrous people and calling them the three 'races'. Or dividing humanity into auditory learners, visual learners and kinesthetic learners and calling them the three 'races'.
Getting back to the topic...
If SEO terminology were deemed racist, presumably the rules of chess would also have to be changed so that black could play first half the time (?)
You could say we are all a variations on a theme, but quite distinct just like animals (with those living in Essex being more perfect that the rest of mankind), it doesnt make anyone 'theme'/'race' better than another just diffrent.
But thats way off topic though very interesting.
[edited by: Essex_boy at 1:33 pm (utc) on Nov. 27, 2007]
It makes about as much (and possibly less) sense as dividing humanity into right-handed, left-handed and ambidextrous people
We all know that there is something wrong with lefties ... ;)
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id be very surprised if there wasnt a genetic variation common to various people in diffrent locations around the world.
Well, you've touched on it there. For example Ireland and Russia are far apart so you wouldn't expect their populations to have very similar DNA. That is indeed the case, but they are both considered the same race (that is, related) based on a few external characteristics.
human genetic variation tends to be distributed in a continuous fashion and seldom has marked geographic discontinuities
Back to the original topic, yes it's those old westerns where the bad guys wear black hats. But I prefer to think of black-hat SEO as being as bad as (dare I say?) Garth Brooks.
rules of chess would also have to be changed so that black could play first half the time
In the UK, they'd flip a coin, then the Department of Political Correctness would rule that the coin was discriminating against him, and that to show we weren't racist he should start first anyway.
with those living in Essex being more perfect that the rest of mankind
And your women easier to get into bed! Essex_boy! ;)
who would like to be offensive start crying about how they are oppressed
You mean like wanting to fly a St. George's flag on St. George's day? Yes, we were asked not to this year incase it offended the ethnic minorities. Yet, councils happily put up xmas style lights saying 'Happy Diwali'.
What's next? Fish 'n' Chip shops must also serve curry, noodles and sushi because it's discriminatory to only sell typically English food?
Do you mean people who want to be offensive, or English (in this case) people who simply want to celebrate being English? Please clarify your context on this.
I am not racist, but I'll happily campaign against the PC brigade when they try to take away the country and culture in which I live.
Ireland and Russia are far apart so you wouldn't expect their populations to have very similar DNA
You're talking about DNA? Come on?! We're 98% monkey, you really expect the Irish and Russian to be different. Well, the Irish maybe..... ;D
Incidentally, on that topic, I don't agree that just because they have 98% same DNA that they're necessarily our closest relative. We're 50% the same as a Halibut, but you wouldn't say we're half a fish now you you?
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