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Why did my organic reach drop by 95 percent?

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lacika012345

3:59 pm on Apr 21, 2023 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

My Facebook pages have had absolutely zero organic reach for external links for weeks. Even if I share any external link to 4-500 thousand people, only 1-2 people click on it and that's it. I also tried to advertise, but no one clicked on that either, while thousands of people clicked on my shares before that.
Has anyone else had a similar experience?

gregl512

8:49 pm on Sep 9, 2023 (gmt 0)

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Facebook's guesstimated statistics for my posts claim there's more "engagement" recently (35% compared to 20-25% a few months ago), but the actual reach numbers and like numbers are still no different than what they've been for most of the year, and are still way down from late last year.

Benjamin dray

9:09 pm on Sep 9, 2023 (gmt 0)

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Me too. So bad

janvitos

2:42 pm on Sep 15, 2023 (gmt 0)

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I've been dealing with the same issue since the beginning of July. My reach drop / penalty coincided with the New Pages Experience rolling out.

My Facebook Page is more than 10 years old. For the past few years, my link posts would get between 50,000 and 250,000+ reach per post, with 5,000 to 30,000+ clicks. All good.

But since the beginning of July, reach for link posts has dropped to 5,000 to 20,000 and clicks 500 to 1,000. And when link posts do get some reach and engagement, they still die off very quickly, as if they didn't get any engagement at all, and reach and clicks completely stop after an hour or so. This is just crazy. It's like my Page and/or website is shadow banned / penalized.

There are no mentions of penalties anywhere. Page Quality is green. Page Recommendation is green. Page Monetization is green.

I got Meta Verified just to contact Support. They said there's no penalty on my Page and it's probably related to "seasonality". Right.

I created a completely new website with a new domain and new WordPress theme and started posting links from there. At first, reach was much better, with 20,000 to 70,000 per post, and 2,000 to 10,000 clicks. But after a post got viral quickly and got killed by Facebook after a few minutes (post remained on Facebook, but new clicks and engagement completely stopped), reach on that domain also dropped and has been as low as my other domain ever since.

I also noticed that image posts still have some reach, but not as much as before. And some days, reach is also dead for image posts, which never happened before. I can publish links in the comments of those posts and get 1,000 – 5,000 clicks. But most days, I get almost nothing, so it's just not worth the trouble.

My conclusion? Facebook is penalizing my Page because it thinks I’m publishing links to spammy websites, or in its own words, Low-Quality Web Experiences. [facebook.com...]

This is most probably a severe penalty and is given to Pages that publish links to websites that Facebook thinks contain spam. But the thing is, my website contains high quality content, very little ads and ranks really well in Google. So, there’s absolutely no reason for my Page to be penalized as such.

What I suspect is that something on my website is triggering Facebook’s anti-spam algos, and this might be what’s happening to your website and many other people’s websites. Unfortunately, as there’s practically no way to contact Facebook, there’s not much we can do about it.

This is how I think the Low-Quality Web Experiences penalty works:

1. Facebook's algos detect something they don't like on a website / domain and flag it as spam / Low-Quality Web Experience.
2. If a Page publishes links to that website, it gets a mild reach penalty for a relatively short period of time, like 24h.
3. If the Page continues publishing links to that website, it gets a more severe and longer penalty, like 1 week.
4. If the Page publishes more links to that website, it gets a very severe penalty (shadow ban) for 1 - 3 months.
5. At some point, Facebook's algos will reevaluate the website / domain and might remove the spam flag, but it can be flagged again if the "problematic" code / content hasn't been fixed / removed.

Previously, in one of its "transparency" updates, Facebook briefly talked about these penalties [about.fb.com...]

"Doubling down on penalties for repeat offenders. When publishers repeatedly post content that triggers our quality demotions, we expect them to change their behavior. If they don’t, we implement stricter demotions for a set period of time to prompt faster, more comprehensive action. We will continue to introduce penalties for “repeat offenders” along with new quality demotions, to encourage publishers to be compliant with our standards."

The real issue at hand here is the fact that Facebook doesn't tell the publishers what their penalties are. So, without knowing what they're doing wrong, it's incredibly hard for publishers to "change their behavior." I would definitely like to "be compliant" with Facebook's standards, but it's almost impossible to do so without really knowing what rules to follow. And although they do publish some guidelines, it seems like following them still got my website / domain / Page in trouble.

I know a big Facebook Page with tens of millions of followers that had a similar penalty for months (maybe even years), and their penalty suddenly went away recently, so there is *some* hope. But they might’ve had access to a Facebook Agent (assigned to very big Pages) and got things sorted out. Other pages like BuzzFeed and Brightside remain penalized and have barely any reach and engagement on their link posts. Many other big Pages suffer from the same fate.

So, what’s next? To be honest, I don’t know. At this point, I am extremely discouraged. I’ve tried every possible avenue, but to no avail. Over the past 10 years, I’ve worked incredibly hard at building my website, Page and community, and I feel like everything was taken from me in an instant for no reason. I’m sure many of you feel the same way. I guess this is what being at the mercy of a tech giant feels like. Maybe I should’ve diversified. Maybe I should’ve never built this Page in the first place. There were some very good years, but it seems like moving on might be the only sane option at this point.

[edited by: janvitos at 3:47 pm (utc) on Sep 15, 2023]

Benjamin dray

3:10 pm on Sep 15, 2023 (gmt 0)

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@Janvitos

Good morning, Don't worry, I'm in the same situation as you and all the pages in my country are impacted. (France). To tell you, all the biggest French media no longer put native links but a photo and the shortened link above. I think Facebook is doing tests to compete with TikTok and see the effect of fewer links in the feed. Furthermore, the conflict with Canada doesn't help anything. Facebook is aware of this problem and I can't even imagine the people who spent 50,000 euros on advertising to set up pages and who, without justification, find themselves without reach overnight. We can only wait. My stats are very very low. -50% reduction on a page of 1million in the month of September.

janvitos

3:21 pm on Sep 15, 2023 (gmt 0)

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Salut Benjamin,

Enchanté de faire ta connaissance!

Although I speak French (I am from Quebec, Canada), I will keep this discussion in English for the majority ;)

My Page also has around 1 million followers, half of them from Quebec and the other half from France. I am very aware of the News ban in Canada. It has taken away half of my followers overnight. But still, I wouldn't expect a 90% reach drop from this. I still have 500 000 French followers that have always been very engaged, until the recent reach drop / penalty.

I didn't know Publishers in France had the same issue. I see some Publishers like Demotivateur who seem to be doing just fine. Maybe it's only affecting Pages that have been flagged as News Pages like BFMTV and Le Monde?

The test about TikTok is interesting. I was feeling that the News ban in Canada was also a test, to see if Facebook would survive there without News. And according to some statistics, it seems it's doing just fine. But I think the impact might take a longer time to be felt.

And yes, people who spent tons on advertising must be furious. Fortunately, I barely ever spent anything on Facebook advertising, so this is not an issue for me. But having almost zero revenue for 2 months and not knowing if things will ever get back to normal is certainly a big problem.

If you want, we can discuss this further in private. I'd be happy to exchange thoughts with you.

gregl512

8:04 pm on Sep 15, 2023 (gmt 0)

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I'm not even posting links to an outside website, so I seriously doubt Facebook's perceived quality of your website has anything to do with it. I'm a photographer who only posts my own photos, and my organic reach has been cut by 75% since around January/February of this year. A few people mentioned on here they thought things were improving this past week. The two things I posted on Facebook this past week had some of the lowest reach I've ever gotten, going back to when I first started my page a few years ago and hardly had any followers. I haven't noticed any "improvement" all year. Up until last year I spent way too much money on Facebook advertising to increase my followers, and now, of course, those followers aren't seeing anything I'm posting.

Is everyone else being asked to pay to "boost" everything they post like I am, and, if so, has anyone tried "boosting" a post to see if it actually reaches the same amount of people that you used to be able to reach organically? My main belief about this entire mess is that it's all about money for Facebook, and that they're trying to force business pages to boost everything to get reach.

janvitos

9:51 pm on Sep 15, 2023 (gmt 0)

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"My main belief about this entire mess is that it's all about money for Facebook, and that they're trying to force business pages to boost everything to get reach"

Of course, it's all about money. But their boosting strategy might work a little better if they'd start being transparent and asked publishers to pay some money for reach instead of killing off their organic and continuously showing them Boost button when they're on the verge of bankruptcy and have no budget left to boost their posts.

I'm surprised your photos have lost so much reach. It's the one thing that still works okay on my Page. Don't get me wrong, I did lose some reach on photos too, but photos keep the user in the News Feed where they see ads, so Facebook makes money with them, so I don’t understand why they cut that off for you.

Do you publish any links at all on your Page? Could you have any other form of penalty?

My other theory is that their AI has been trained with so many criterias and restrictions that it is now wrongfully flagging tons of content and Pages. But Facebook is apparently an expert in AI, so one would think their system is pretty mature at this point and shouldn't be making these types of mistakes. So, it would mean that everything that's happening is actually deliberate and a feature of Facebook, not a bug.

gregl512

10:36 pm on Sep 15, 2023 (gmt 0)

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"But their boosting strategy might work a little better if they'd start being transparent and asked publishers to pay some money for reach instead of killing off their organic and continuously showing them Boost button when they're on the verge of bankruptcy and have no budget left to boost their posts."

Exactly. But common sense seems to be missing from whatever they're doing. I've noticed likes (and therefore, I assume, reach) have dropped on other photographers' pages as well. The only pages it's not really noticeable on are those who have like over 100,000 followers. When it started happening earlier this year I thought it was something I had done. I had made some page changes, like only allowing certain countries to see my page, about a month before it happened. I thought that had done it, so I undid those changes. But then a few months later I happened to see some other photographers complaining about the loss of organic reach, so I knew it wasn't just me. The only link I've ever posted was to my Etsy store. And that wasn't this year. (On a separate note, many Etsy vendors have been complaining about having the worst sales ever this year since they first joined Etsy. The economy may be part of it, but it's fairly odd that we've got both Facebook business owners and Etsy vendors both complaining about the same thing --- nobody is seeing their stuff online. If you're into conspiracy theories, there's one right there.)

I think there are definitely less people using Facebook these days. But not enough to warrant the giant drop in reach. So it's either sabotage/incompetence ("Meta" did fire a whole bunch of people earlier this year if I remember correctly) or being done deliberately. I'm guessing it's deliberate.

janvitos

11:10 pm on Sep 15, 2023 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for sharing your insights.

As painful as it is to read such bad news about your business and other people's businesses, I'm glad I'm not alone in this boat. Because in these difficult times, it can be very lonely and #*$!ty in this business, to be honest.

If you’re not posting any links to any website, then I’m really scratching my head over why you’ve lost so much reach. By sharing photos, you are essentially helping Facebook make money by keeping people in the News Feed and making them watch ads. So, this is a really bad move from them if they did cut the reach on photos.

At the same time, if you look at big American and British Facebook pages, their images seem to be having tons of reach. Actually, most Pages are now publishing images with links in the comments because they have much more reach with images than with link posts. So, I’m truly baffled by your situation.

lacika012345

10:03 am on Sep 17, 2023 (gmt 0)

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I had 1 week of relatively good reach on my pages (Hungary), but it seems to be falling back to zero.
Anything I share, I don't think anyone sees. And it's so interesting, a lot of people here in Hungary haven't seen any drop in reach, it's the same as it used to be.
A few people have been selected to play this game with, or test something...

janvitos

3:39 pm on Sep 17, 2023 (gmt 0)

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"A few people have been selected to play this game with, or test something"

Sure does feel like it. I know Page owners in my niche that are seeing lower reach since the New Pages Experience was deployed, but they are still getting *some* reach. For me, it's a 90%+ drop. So, it's not a full fledged shadow ban, but close.

And since Thursday, even my image posts are barely getting any reach. Before that, it was a temporary solution to getting some traffic to my website, since images were getting 100,000+ reach each. But now, reach for images has dropped to 10,000 - 30,000, which is clearly not enough to bring significant traffic to my website.

So it seems Facebook is putting more and more restrictions on the Pages it chose to penalize, with no improvement in sight.

In the past, when I had traffic drops (around 50% or so), they lasted a few days, up to a maximum of 1 week. But now, this drop has been lasting since the beginning of July, so any hope of an improvement in the near future is fading fast.

lacika012345

6:13 pm on Sep 17, 2023 (gmt 0)

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It's been going on since April 1, and I've had about the same 90% drop. The picture sharing never worked for me. When I put a link in the comment section, I had almost no hits. I have a friend who has the same reach as last year, nothing to show for this problem on his website.

gregl512

8:36 pm on Sep 17, 2023 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone with organic reach issues post every day on Facebook? Or has anyone tried posting every day to see if that has any effect? If you go into the "Meta Business Suite" it always says something like "post regularly and consistently" to increase your reach. I haven't had the patience to try that more than about a week, and didn't see any improvement so I lost interest. Last year I'd only post 2-3 days a week and my reach was fine.

janvitos

12:48 am on Sep 18, 2023 (gmt 0)

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"Does anyone with organic reach issues post every day on Facebook?"

I also always wondered if that "post regularly and consistently" message ever meant anything serious, or if it was only there to encourage you to fill their platform with content.

To answer your question, I've always posted 5-10 times per day, so I don't think it has anything to do with post frequency.

questionman40

5:01 pm on Sep 18, 2023 (gmt 0)



Hello people, finally i discover a post with my problem i thought i was alone,

From the first months of 2023 i saw a huge decrease on link clicks, from 5.000, 10.000 to less than 1.000 even not close to 100 in some posts

I tried the last months to post images with links, i only saw a small increase nothing decent

I want to find a way to came back to normal or at least to increase them as max as possible

Please write me your ideas to get more link clicks, we need to find a way

Thanks

janvitos

6:27 pm on Sep 19, 2023 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to the club, questionman40.

Unfortunately, none of us have found a way to gain any substantial reach back. For now, it’s a waiting game.

For the time being, I just publish images on my Page without any links. That way, if reach comes back on images, I will know the penalty is lifted, and I can try to publish links again.

But right now, even images with no links barely get any reach, so in my opinion, it’s useless to try and post links. If Facebook’s algos are mistakenly detecting something they don’t like on my website, then every time I post a link, it will trigger a penalty, and I’ll never get any reach back.

But then again, I might be totally wrong, so take this advice with a grain of salt.

Benjamin dray

9:24 pm on Sep 21, 2023 (gmt 0)

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Hello everybody, I think Facebook has definitely put an end to links (traffic). I am very angry with this company which prioritizes profits even if it means sinking many companies and independents. It's simple, this month of September I went from 1k clicks per link to 200 for ultra active news pages. It's a shame ! I had taken meta verified, I just canceled it is of no use except having a vulgar blue badge which no longer has any value

lacika012345

10:18 pm on Sep 21, 2023 (gmt 0)

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I also paid for the blue dot, but cancelled it. They give me nothing for it, it's just another source of money for them. Anyway, I think the whole thing is a mistake, because a lot of Facebook pages are spinning. But I can see that the news feed is not good, it's full of rubbish. Today you have been posting articles in Portuguese all day. (I am Hungarian) How do you know I speak Portuguese? Or 3 pictures of mothers breastfeeding their babies on the facebook wall today, but no news. I do not see articles from pages that I follow. If they keep this up, facebook will soon be over...

janvitos

10:21 pm on Sep 21, 2023 (gmt 0)

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@Benjamin dray, if you can figure out why Demotivateur still has lots of reach, then you can apply the same strategy to your Page.

I've been scratching my head trying to understand why they still have decent reach while almost all French Pages have zero reach, but I can't seem to figure out what they're doing different that makes their Page not penalized like all the others.

not2easy

2:29 am on Sep 22, 2023 (gmt 0)

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Please see the Charter [webmasterworld.com] - we do not discuss actual FB accounts here.

Thanks for your cooperation...

janvitos

3:07 am on Sep 22, 2023 (gmt 0)

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Sorry about that @not2easy.

Benjamin dray

6:03 pm on Sep 24, 2023 (gmt 0)

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Hello,

Since September, the reach has been catastrophic. Clicks on links are collapsed, photos the same. Oddly enough, this happened at the same time that Facebook changed its logo. They made an update to change the page recommendation category oddly. I don't know if it's temporary or something else but one thing is for sure it's worrying. I find it hard to believe that this is the end of media and external links on Facebook. I noticed that the news feed no longer makes any sense. I only have suggestions that don't interest me. This suggestion system is really starting to annoy me. I also noticed that the more time progresses, the more the reach collapses. Why is there no communication?

Benjamin dray

6:06 pm on Sep 24, 2023 (gmt 0)

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@Janvitos

I was able to try using Demotivator because my partner works with them and it doesn't work. Also how do you explain that my pages work and buzz, are often suggested and despite everything the links are dead? I regularly get 20,000 likes on photos, I have 10 million reach on my page. So it doesn't come from there...

lacika012345

8:34 pm on Sep 24, 2023 (gmt 0)

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@Benjamin dray
For me, this has been going on since April, with minor interruptions. But the fact is, the news feed has been full of garbage for a while. I've had 3 ads in a row, and the latest bug is that I have 2-3 year old posts appearing in my newsfeed, and I have breastfeeding mothers on my wall, but I have 4-5 a day. Previously the recommended posts were about 20%, now it's reversed, about 80%. I am Hungarian, but my wall is full of posts in Portuguese for example. How does facebook think I speak Portuguese? So it's really gone wrong for them. And if they want to deliberately kill off external links, they can close the door, because they won't produce videos for nothing...

Benjamin dray

9:05 pm on Sep 24, 2023 (gmt 0)

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@lacika

Especially since the videos don't bring anything in real life. Furthermore, I think it's dangerous to want to copy TikTok too much. People aren't on Facebook to watch real shows. Facebook admits that less than 3% of content on users' news feeds is news content. So why want to harm us if we represent such a small part of the feed. It is not logical. Many media outlets will sink. I was at 170 euros per day before 2022. Now I'm struggling to earn 10 euros per day. Thank you Facebook, a more than toxic company for its choices

janvitos

9:36 pm on Sep 24, 2023 (gmt 0)

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On a side note, Facebook has ALWAYS been plagued with tons of bugs since its inception. I remember shortly after they deployed their in-app browser (WebView), they had a huge bug (intentional or not) where people couldn’t click on ads anymore. I was actually the one who found the problem in their code and opened a bug report with Facebook Developers. They eventually fixed it, but it lasted for weeks. Imagine the millions (if not billions) of dollars lost by media companies all over the world.

I think Facebook has two critical issues: too much reliance on AI and broken communication inside the company. Since Mark Zuckerberg wants to keep things as secret as possible so their algorithms aren’t compromised, all departments inside Facebook are completely isolated from one another. And when they do need to communicate, it is done with very strict protocols, resulting in slow and sporadic communication.

But they aren’t the only ones suffering from this fate. All big tech companies seem to suffer from this. Google is the same. When something breaks (as it often happens), it can take weeks for the problem to be fixed. Over the years, I’ve opened countless tickets with AdSense, Google News, and Google Search for bugs and issues, and lots of those issues have remained unsolved.

So, to get back to the reach problem, I wouldn’t be surprised if Facebook broke something serious with their New Pages Experience. It could also be related to the News ban in Canada, even if your Page is not in Canada. Every single time Facebook makes some big changes, there are ALWAYS big issues. And remember, Facebook laid off 20,000 people in 2022 and 2023, so that is definitely not helping the situation.

And keep in mind that any company will ALWAYS first solve the problems that have a negative impact on their revenue. In this case, external links actually make them lose money since they take people out of the News Feed, their main source of revenue.

I also think that Mark Zuckerberg takes the idea of a News Feed without external links very seriously. And he seems to have absolutely no remorse about the fact that he's built his empire on the back of viral media outlets and is now killing off most of them. But in the world of capitalism, this is business as usual.

gregl512

10:18 pm on Sep 24, 2023 (gmt 0)

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"But the fact is, the news feed has been full of garbage for a while. I've had 3 ads in a row, and the latest bug is that I have 2-3 year old posts appearing in my newsfeed, and I have breastfeeding mothers on my wall, but I have 4-5 a day. Previously the recommended posts were about 20%, now it's reversed, about 80%."

In the past few weeks my news feed has also been filled with random "suggestions" of which I have zero interest. They keep recommending random football teams and sports-related pages to follow, even though I have never commented or liked a single sports-related post the entire time I've been on Facebook.

I also just realized that the few pages I follow aren't showing up in my feed, which is most likely the same reason why people who follow my page aren't seeing anything I post. I only noticed this recently, but it's been going on for quite a while. The emphasis on the feed lately is to keep suggesting new pages to follow, even though they're not showing you the pages (and sometimes the groups) you're already following.


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8:31 am on Sep 25, 2023 (gmt 0)

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They keep recommending random football teams and sports-related pages to follow, even though I have never commented or liked a single sports-related post the entire time I've been on Facebook.

You do know that FB tracks you off FB, and that might explain why you see some of this. Tracking is a serious issue for FB and, of course, for users.

<quoted FB staff accusations were removed>
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gregl512

8:53 pm on Sep 25, 2023 (gmt 0)

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I'm well aware of all the tracking most sites use. Generally I see ads on Facebook from stuff I've searched for elsewhere like Amazon. The sports thing, however, makes zero sense as I'm not reading about sports anywhere on the Internet. And sports is just one of the topics Facebook is now recommending even though I've never expressed any interest in it --- just like the other post on here about having their wall filled with breastfeeding moms. As for my Facebook "accusations", which I guess can't be posted about here, one doesn't need to be Sherlock to figure out something that is routinely happening to many women of retirement age on Facebook.

questionman40

2:02 am on Sep 27, 2023 (gmt 0)



Hello again guys, let's try to find solutions about links and FB

From my experience so far, the only thing that will increase a bit the clicks is posting images or text and put
the link under the comments. The increase is like 10% - 40% clicks sometimes even more depends on the content.
This doesn't work always but it's better from posting links directly. When i post link directly doesn't even get 50 clicks right now

I saw some pages or profiles doing something with an app and make the link a large clickable image, they get tons of reactions and pretty sure tons of clicks
but i think they have very high risk of getting banned soon or later so i didn't try that

I want to hear your suggestions or solutions from your experience and i will be happy to contact me also to discuss it
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