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palmpal

1:56 pm on Jun 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm not sure if this is the best place to post this so please move it if not.

I've had a website up since last September. I have valid HTML and have previously enjoyed great Google rankings for my keywords. Unfortunately I've not had any sales yet and I'm in the process of re-evaluating things. I'm wondering what the best strategy is.

I've seen an increase in hits to my site - after filtering out things and looking at just page views. I went from 15 pages views a day to an average of 60 page views daily. My page views seem to be doubling every three months. I have a newsletter that no one has subscribed to yet, polls with very little activity and little activity in my Guestbook. I have added a free sample offer for my product. I can accept credit card payments through a secure server. I've been steadily adding reciprocal links and I'm amazed at the numbers of webmasters who don't respond to my request even after I've had their link on my pages for about three months.

Some of the things I'm considering is a printable order form, an eBay store, actual photographs of my products (I currently use a graphic representation since my product is graphic in nature), and a database of products versus static pages.

One thing I know I need to do and I'm still grappling with is how to get my visitors to come back. I realize I need to offer something of value to them such as a forum or a free service. I also need to be more vocal in newsgroups and to act as a resource to others. I've seen this approach on other websites and wondered if any of you saw an increase in sales as a result of this method.

My widgets are often made by others so I would be looking for traffic from people wanting completed widgets. My prices are very reasonable considering what it costs to make a widget. I seem to be getting just lookers to my site.

My questions:

Should I be striving for more hits to my site and could this be a reason why I've had no orders? Are my hits considered "low" for an eCommerce site?

How can I get my visitors to interact more with my site so I know they are out there - other than through my logs? I would really like to see some activity in my Guestbook, newsletter and polls. I hate to resort to self-modifying these areas to give the illusion that my site is "busy."

On a positive note: I'm getting good feedback/orders locally for my products so I know there is interest.

Thanks for any advice!

sun818

2:20 pm on Jun 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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actual photographs of my products (I currently use a graphic representation since my product is graphic in nature)

Good idea. We discussed using images to improve sales of your product here:

[webmasterworld.com...]

database of products versus static pages

Personally I prefer static pages (or static looking pages) but I've heard of users having success using dynamic URLs there were not complex. By "not complex" I mean there were only one or two variables in the URL and was not overly long.

trillianjedi

2:41 pm on Jun 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I've been steadily adding reciprocal links and I'm amazed at the numbers of webmasters who don't respond to my request even after I've had their link on my pages for about three months.

Have you checked the stats on the outbound links? Are you losing potential customers via the websites that you're linking to?

I don't link out period, but if I wanted to do a reciprocal linking campaign, I would never give a link out until I had agreed with the other site for a reciprocal. They have no reason to respond to you - you've already given them a link.

Ask first, and then if they agree - put their link up.

TJ

Staffa

3:01 pm on Jun 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I'm getting good feedback/orders locally for my products so I know there is interest.

Ask permission from your customers to put their feedback/comment on your web site and make a customer testimonials page.

watercrazed

4:59 pm on Jun 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

I am fairly new to all this so take these opinions with a grain of salt.

Sales to visitors can vary alot depending on the nature of the site. My site started as an informational site and is fairly broad in nature so I am targeting about a 0.5% conversion(i think that figure has bounced around, as a "common rate") around as an 1 sale out of 200 visitors. Still not there after 6 months of work on the site. Remember pageviews overstate visitors, do they view 2,3 or 10 pages. Adjusting my site has bumped the conversion rate up but in small increments. I have not found anything to be a silver bullet.

On links opinions vary greatly, on my site about 14% visit my link pages. maybe 10% exit that way. But I get 10%-15% of my visitors from outside links. So a trade off with benefits to my visitors.

I would normally say that good quality pictures are critical, but it sounds like maybe not in your case.

Do you have a sample of your newsletter posted?
Are people visiting that page?

My 2 cents for now.

palmpal

7:35 pm on Jun 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for responding. My newsletter is currently private. I thought about making it public and then wondered whether I would get any people subscribing at all. Probably the most frustrating thing is not getting any feedback via the website itself. Even negative comments could be useful at this point since you have something to go on.

I feel pretty confident that I'm on the right track since my repeat visitor has increased slowly and my visitors are increasing. A sale would really boost my confidence! I'd better not quit my day job!

I'm curious about whether to do more in the area of directory listings but need to research this more.

pbreit

6:08 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How can anyone provide any advice without knowing what the product is and looking at the site?

juniperwasting

7:53 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

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palmpal

First off, is this one widget all you sell?
If so diversification of your product line might be a good option.

Second, is there much competition for your widget?
If there is, are you the best? Check out the prices and the presentation of all your competitors. Do you have the best price?
Do you have the most comprehensive information available?

Starting a small CPC program might help as well. Goto (overture) was a huge help to us in the very begining, and then Google Adwords pushed us up to a new level. One where we were comfortable enough to focus on SEO and stop spending all that money.

Best of luck,

Will

le_gber

11:59 am on Jun 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Palmpal

A couple of questions for you:

  • Are your keywords properly tageted?
    do you get traffic from people looking for info on widgets or willing to buy widgets?
  • Does your site looking professional?
    People have to have confidence if you want them to buy something from your site. Even more if you want them to enter credit card details.
    Why not having another way of buying widgets from your site, through a renoun online store or mall.

    Hope this gives you some ground for thoughts.

    Leo

  • onlineleben

    12:15 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    >>My newsletter is currently private. I thought about making it public and then wondered whether I would get any people subscribing at all. <<
    Write a newsletter and post it on your site (although no one has subscribed yet). A few weeks later post your second issue.
    I started out with sending a newsletter to 2 (two) subscribers, just because I had committed myself to a publication schedule. The benifit is that you have something to offer to your visitors. When you leave some time (a week or two) between sending out the newsletter to your subscriber base and posting it on your site, it makes the email newsletter even more valuable.
    Also every newsletter posted on your site is food for SE spiders, so the more pages you have in the SE, the more visitors you get, the more subscribers and possibly in the end more sales.

    Good luck!

    palmpal

    2:56 am on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Hi Pbreit,

    It is frustrating sometimes not being able to post specifics about our websites but overall we still all manage to understand each other!

    palmpal

    palmpal

    3:24 am on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Hi Will,

    I offer four product lines. All use similar techniques (my designs) and all have a common theme - but each product line is different.

    One product is extremely popular - but people tend to do it themselves as a hobby. So my competition would be the do-it-yourselfers and also the people who offer their services to others. My product line is different in that the product is completed, created in a non-traditional manner and uniquely designed. I have seen very few people offering this exact product. The pricing I've seen ranges from extremely overpriced to just the opposite. I've figured my costs, overhead, and profit margin into my final price - of course price could still be an issue.

    I've offered free samples but still need to increase the perceived value - more photos?

    What is a CPC program?

    Thanks,

    Palmpal

    palmpal

    3:41 am on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Hi Leo,

    Keywords may actually be part of the problem. The "lingo" used in my keywords is actually the same verbage that the do-it-yourselfers would use to look for "ideas" to do their own widgets.

    I had mentioned this previously and received good advice. In a nutshell, I should take advantage of people who get to my site by any means and try to give them something they would want. The problem with this theory is that many visitors are looking for inspiration - not completed widgets. See the problem? I've already done an article about how my widgets could seamlessly co-exist with their widgets. I don't want to branch off into offering "supplies" for the do-it-yourselfers because there is tremendous competition in this area and it is not what my product is all about. I really need to find a better way to properly target my keywords - to people who like the look of widgets but don't have the time to do it themselves.

    Any advice on how to properly target keywords?

    My traffic is primarily from people looking for inspiration to complete their own widgets.

    I believe my site looks professional. I used my graphic design ability to create my webpages in pleasing colors and a nice layout. Webmaster World helped me create valid HTML and a valid CSS!

    "Why not having another way of buying widgets from your site, through a renoun online store or mall." - Thanks for the idea! I had a feeling that having a directory presence would be my next step.

    Palmpal

    palmpal

    3:47 am on Jun 23, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Hi Onlineleben,

    That's a great idea to publish the newsletter in two phases - first to the subscribers and then later to the website visitors. I could offer my promos to the subscriber base only as a way to get people to sign up. I've continued to publish a newsletter to my family members who signed up - just to stick to my schedule also.

    Thanks again - everyone on WW is so willing to help!

    Palmpal

    FYI: I actually had an email today from someone inquiring about one of my widgets and a potential order!

    defanjos

    2:26 am on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Should I be striving for more hits to my site and could this be a reason why I've had no orders? Are my hits considered "low" for an eCommerce site?

    60 page views/day is nothing, it could mean 20 people per day viewing 3 pages each. I don't think you can draw any conclusions on 20-60 visitors per day.

    I would concentrate in increasing the number of visitors first.

    At the same time, you can also get some targeted traffic using Google Adwords to see how your site converts. I don't know your product, but if you are lucky you might be able to get clicks as low as 5 cents. For $100 you can get 2000 visitors to your site - then it will be easier to see how well it converts.

    juniperwasting

    9:23 pm on Jun 24, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    What is a CPC program?

    CPC = Cost per Click

    Paid keyword advertising. Look to Overture and Google Adwords. There are terrific forums here discussing each.

    still need to increase the perceived value - more photos?

    Good images are a strong factor, but make sure they are lightweight (fast load time). Adobe Photoshop 6-7 have a save for web feature that is fantastic for quickly building dial-up friendly images.

    Will

    Barry

    3:04 pm on Jun 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Hi Everyone,

    Very interesting topic..........thanks for all the posts.
    I have been doing some research lately for a potential customer who wants to increase sales from their site.

    From my research, it seems that every area of web development is important.
    From the product itself (Is it useful, beneficial to potential customer) to the marketing campaign.

    I have been trying to come up with a proposal for this person that will give him a return on his investement.
    Here are some of my findings so far........I would appreciate any feedback or add-ons to these.

    1.Graphically pleasing and professional looking.Use of fast loading images brings 'reality' to site and product.

    2.Good layout and navigation (inspires confidence in the product)

    3.Easy and reassuring e-commerce section (aswell as secure)

    4.Plenty of good content......testimonial page.......good use of grammar

    5.Compatible and validated code to reach wider audience (accessibility issues, browser resolution etc)

    6.Optimise site for Search Engines.....submit to major search engines.

    7.Do links campaign for increase in traffic

    8.Site translation for markets in Asia + South America etc

    9.Pay per click campaign........Narrow Target market with very relevant keywords (1 - 5 keywords)

    10.Patience

    Doe anyone have an estimate of how much time this will take? (I was thinking a about a 100 hours myself....i know its a hard question!)
    Looking at my potential clients site, it would need to be scrapped and started from scratch.

    Its only one product.......I was considering using enrol (allows developer to use original designs for sites)
    as an ecommerce package.........any other suggestions ?

    Can anyone suggest a recommended gateway service.

    This would be my first 'real' e-commerce site where results would be expected so any help, tips or advice would really be appreciated.

    Thanks in Advance
    Barry

    khuntley

    7:14 am on Jun 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

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    Hi palmpal,
    Another thought...lets say for the heck of it that you were doing everything wrong. With 60 page views per day even with a very poorly designed site you should still receive the occasional order, maybe once per week. After several months with zero orders, I might rethink the product. Just being honest.
    Kevin