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Hackersafe

My (very delayed) experience

         

mangotude

4:26 pm on Oct 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Hi,

I posted on 20th July I was going to try out the service - well, I did, but to be honest completely forgot to post my experiences of it. However, someone stickied me about it, so i thought i'd add my feelings. The original thread is now closed, hence the new thread.

It's not so simple to say it did or didn't work, because on the site I tried it, there are people from various time zones, and so for a large amount of people it was always 'yesterday' on the date checked - especially as it was often quite a few hours in the day even on Pacific time before the icon was updated.

And for some of the customers I spoke with, they weren't happy that it hadnt been checked that day. I think by bringing the issue of safety up by having a huge logo and then saying essentially it hadnt been checked that day was worse than not checking it at all.

however, I know that some US customers were very happy to see it, so it's by no means a definite no.

Where I think the service would be vastly improved is to go from every day to every four hours or so - and display that time (and in the relevant time zone if possible) on the icon. If that was brought in, I'd sign up again straight away.

fiu88

3:29 am on Oct 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the input...
I'm a bit surprised as it seems your experience is that many people rely on Hackersafe to the point that the site being checked yesterday has an influence on their decision to buy...
Can you expand on your experience?
What type of price range are your products in?

crak_bot

5:18 pm on Oct 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

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That's sort of what I was afraid of. Once you bring up security to the consumer it opens up a whole can of worms.

If one of these services like Hacker Safe became a household name for security I think it would be more helpful. Like if they advertised to consumers telling people what their certification meant because very few non-retail people even know probably.

By the way, thanks for taking the time to post up your findings.

Jim

mangotude

11:13 am on Nov 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm not sure that customers depend that much on ScanAlert - indeed, most won't know about it. An analogy (not a good one, mind) is being on a flight, and the captain proudly telling you that they checked the safety equipment...yesterday.

if you're going to bring up security issues, you have to then completely reassure customers, which is why I think you need more information to show WHY it is safe, and that's why a frequent check of every three/four hours, and with the precise time of the check displayed. That information is available to the subscriber of scanalert, but if it was displayed to the customer, I think that would be much more reassuring.

it's actually something Microsoft could probably get into with little difficulty and would assist with their desired image of security consciousness.

wingslevel

1:24 pm on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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mangotude

thanks also for following up - we could all probably do more of that...

from the sound of it, you haven't stuck with scanalert. did you just do a 30 day trial? was there any change at all in your conversion rate?

i have read a couple of studies that showed double digit increases in conversion rate - obviously you didn't experience that or you would have stayed with the program...

i just started my 30 day trial this week - will endeavor to report back... for now, based on 2 day's data, my conversion rate is up 7%

Leosghost

1:52 pm on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

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it's actually something Microsoft could probably get into with little difficulty and would assist with their desired image of security consciousness.

What have you been smoking ..! would you beleive something was secure because MICROSOFT told you it was!
they have always said everything they made was secure ..until someone forced them to issue a patch ..and then another ..and then another ..and then another ...and then ...

mangotude

3:58 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I wouldn't believe them, no. But I'm not my customers. And I thought it would fit their desired image, not reflect reality.

lgn1

4:17 pm on Nov 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Just to clarify, when you say double digit increase in conversion rates, do you mean the actual percentage of the conversion.

ie. if your conversion rate was 2%, a double digit increase would be 2.1% not 10%.

Personally, I think having a real address (no PO #) and a Toll Free number would have a far greater impact on Trust, than those Trust seals.

wingslevel

2:27 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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lgn - agree on the phone # and address

yes, a 10% increase in conversion rate would be from 2.0% up to 2.2%

Peter Cornstalk

5:30 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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WARNING: If ScanAlert finds a security problem, the button will still say your site is ok for 72 hours. After that, if you don't fix it, they just prevent it from loading so no button shows at all. So how does that inform the customer about anything?

ScanAlert is just another company set out to sell air and brainwash people into thinking their service is something neccissary when it isn't.

The sad part is the webmasters that are shelling out the cash for this when they can make a little button themselves for free. Same results.

Please don't buy into junk like this. You are only helping to spread FUD. It only confuses people and misleads them as it does not gaurantee any protection.

martinibuster

6:29 pm on Nov 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I went to a party a couple months ago and met one of the guys from HackerSafe. He asked me if I knew about such and such standards, something to do with Visa/Mastercard and I draw a blank.

He's like, "Don't you work on the web? How come you don't know about that?"

My response is, "I'm not a merchant, it's not an issue I deal with."

Although not a merchant, I am an internet consumer. I purchase everything from baby shoes to several thousand dollars worth of window treatments. The number one thing that makes me feel better about shopping anywhere is when there's a physical address and phone number.

If I'm walking down a lonely street at night, I start to miss the cops. When I'm shopping online, I never miss HackerSafe. As a consumer, I don't miss them when they're not around.

They're trying to turn that around with the TrustWatch thing. The ScanAlert site is up to a PR 8 because of all the sites linking back to them with their HackerSafe logo. Many of the top merchants participate in their scheme.

Peter Cornstalk

8:37 am on Nov 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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That reminds me how the salesman was saying "Haven't you met PCI compiance, you should of done that by the end of June!"

I told him that I never said I did or I didn't and I have no comment on the matter because I do not discuss my security with strangers. :)

Anyway, I don't have to meet PCI compliance and I suggest others to read the requirents for having to meet that compliance before believing ScanAlert salesmen.

I think I will start advertising "Identity Theft Free Website" buttons for $2400 a year. That is the latest buzzword that clueless company executives would shell out some cash for. :)

wingslevel

8:56 pm on Nov 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

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well all, it's a week later and our conversion rate has settled right back in at its historic level - looks like we'll be joining mangotude and asking for our refund before our 30 day trial runs out...