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Product Sourcing - Startup

Drop Ship - Wholesale - Import

         

kujoe

5:39 pm on Aug 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Our startup is at the crucial point of product sourcing. The original business plan was to joint venture with a dropshipper. Then if we are successful with the shopping cart technology and seo we could move onto warehousing products from US manufactures/distributors. We could then move on to importing if the numbers worked.

Anyway, how are most here setup. I'm not sure if dropshipping would be a waste of time or if we should look into light bulk wholesalers at the beginning.

Any suggestions? Are there any respected resources to find quality dropshippers/wholesalers/distributors?

puma

6:20 pm on Aug 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I currently use a mix of dropshipping and I also have a small inventory of proudcts. I have found for my more expensive items it is easy to drop ship so that I can buy and keep an inventory of the less priced products. Just make sure when you do drop ship you leave out the middle man so you can become the middle man. My best advice would be to go directly to the manufacture for your products. Alot of them will just need a few things from you to get started.

kujoe

5:56 pm on Aug 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The manufacturer actually dropships single orders directly to your customer? What kind of info do the manufacturers require besides your EIN and reseller's license?

I didn't think most manufacturers dealt direct with retailers let alone e-tailers. Especially those with little volume and sending single items via a dropship arrangement.

Are there any other fees associated with your setup?

puma

6:59 pm on Aug 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yeah I deal w/ 2 companies that I have a credit card on file and I can send them an order and then they bill my credit card and ship the item to the customer (w/my info on the packaging) and then I collect from the customer. It is very easy. The hardest thing is finding good companies. I do not have any fees associated with the company. It is a pretty good setup.

kujoe

10:58 pm on Aug 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How did you find and present your offer to the company?

puma

6:23 pm on Aug 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I actually just looked for the companies that I liked and saw potential in their products. Then I made sure they made all of their products and then asked if they had a drop shipping program available or a wholesale program. I really just emailed them and then gave them info on what I was looking to do. Look at it this way... if the company has other people selling for them on different sites and they are making a small profit from what they are selling you it is a win/win situation for all parties involved.

luckychucky

12:28 am on Aug 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Here's an excerpt from our standard boilerplate response when asked if we dropship:

...Dropshipping is a scam in the sense that you'll pay far, far more than you should. In that sense you're being victimized. Prima facie, any sales price which covers the processing labor for only a single item with a relatively low ticket price, yet still allows for any kind of noticeable profit for both you and the originating wholesaler, is a contradiction, and not likely a feasible reality in a highly competitive marketplace. Rest assured your dropshipper will get the lion's share, and his markup over cost will be astronomical. You, on the other hand, will do all the labor but harvest only the crumbs. You're almost certain to discover that dropshipping is generally a scam, and prices from wholesalers who dropship will be around 2-5 or more times higher than prices at WidgetWorld.com.

Therefore if it looks to good to be true, you can assume it is. It's similar to predatory lending, or rent-to-own products. They prey upon those who want to start their own businesses but don't have sufficient capital to purchase inventory.

puma

1:50 pm on Aug 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I don't understand how dropshipping is not effective for both parties involved. If the price that I get is more than half off of what the manufacturer is selling it at and I mark it back up to what they are selling it then how do I lose out? Right now on my website I will be making on average $35-$40 in profit from each sale. I think this is a pretty good deal if I do not even have to carry an inventory of most of the items I sell. I just cannot believe that droppshipping cannot be a good way to make money on the internet. The companies are basically hiring you to sell their products and the same time turning a profit for not doing any work.

kujoe

12:34 pm on Aug 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

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To say "Dropshipping is a scam" is an extremely bold statement. There are scams in almost any industry; some more than others. But to say Dropshipping as a whole is a scam is simply wrong.

The most important part is "FINDING" a reputable manufacturer or distributor and "BUILDING" a contractual relationship/joint venture with them. This can be a win-win situation as Puma notes above.

kujoe

8:45 pm on Aug 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How is everybody else setup?

kujoe

12:22 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Where are all the experts?

CernyM

2:13 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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There is an article in the latest issue of Multichannel Merchant (formerly Catalog Age - Google finds it easily) about a company that used drop shipping to get started and is now in the neighborhood of $3 million annual sales.

The thing that's striking about the example is something that a lot of people have recommended: you must find a niche and exploit it. In this particular example, the owner had knowledge of the particular subset of the construction industry that was responsible for finding and marking various underground utilities (i.e. finding pipelines and spraypainting their location on the ground).

These folks use a tremendous amount of a few staple goods (e.g. spray paint) and the new company decided to offer those goods direct. It started as a one-man band who had a web site built, negotiated drop shipping arrangements directly with the distributors and used his personal contacts to solicit business.

From there, he's been expanding the number of SKUs he carries and has even moved into a 3000sqft warehouse that stocks some of the most popular items and can cater to the cash-and-carry local crowd.

His keys were:

a) Working a business that he was familiar with and had contacts he could leverage into sales.
b) Knew the various vendors and was able to negotiate dropshipping arrangements that worked for him. (Note that the distributors he worked with required significant minimums. He could not accept orders for, say, a couple of cans of paint and a pair of gloves.)

Multichannel Merchant is mostly aimed at catalog retailers, but they have been steadily adding content of interest to ecommerce stores for a while. Subscriptions are generally free to those in the industry.

lgn1

2:55 pm on Aug 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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More and more distributers, are setup for dropshipping. After all, distributers are experts at packing and shipping products. Since most distributers do high volume, they get the best shipping rates. We pay a $3.00 drop shipping fee, but once you figure in what it would cost us to ship, vs what it cost the distributer to ship, we come in ahead.

Also, since we carry no product, we don't need to worry about inventory, or getting stuck with dogs, that we need to deep discount to get rid of it.

The most important thing about drop shipping. Find a distributer that has a wide range of products, and only create one website for each distributer. Split shipping drop shipments between distributers is logistics and cost nightmare.

The big problem is finding a real distributer, as the web is full of fake distributers. These are middlemen who buy from distributers and mark up the product and perform the drop shipping for you. Their are so many of these scammers out their, we don't even search on the web to find new distributers.

We got rid of physical inventory two years ago, and we could never be happier. Drop shipping is the way to go.

kujoe

5:21 pm on Aug 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How/where should one start to find legit distributors?

This is crucial to the success of my business as has been stated above. What are some good places to start looking?

abertone

6:40 pm on Aug 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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One way, attend a trade show for the industry in which you want to start up in. Go booth to booth looking the for the right distributor that may drop ship for you.

-ABertone

lgn1

11:09 pm on Aug 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Yes trade shows are a good idea. Also the manufactuer name may also be on the product. Look up the manufactuer on the internet and phone them, and they will give you a contact for a distributer.