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subscriptions: paypal cancellations and options + direct debit

like to hear from anyone with experience

         

smithydude

3:00 pm on Apr 7, 2010 (gmt 0)

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We charge a quarterly membership fee of 20 pounds for access to our online UK service and are currently using paypal subscriptions for this purpose.

It all works fine, we get cancellations now and then, but we get a very large number of "cancellations" on the date the renewals are supposed to occur. 30 to 50% of all subscriptions are cancelled on the renewal date. This leads me to conclude that these cancellations are not requested by the user but are due to other reasons. Expired credit card or insufficient funds would be legitimate but I wonder if there are other reasons that paypal cancel, and that another processor might be better. Does anyone have experience with both paypal and other processors - e.g worldpay's futurepay? How did the results compare with regard to cancellations?

What percentage of cancellations would it be fair to expect from these types of issues (credit card expiry etc..)? When I created the site I expected it to be far lower than the 30-50% I mentioned.

Finally, since we are based in the UK, we are considering an online direct debit solution. Does anyone have experience with these? How do cancellation rates compare - I'm obviously only really interested in cancellations not requested by the user, since those depend directly on the service provided.

At the moment the cancellation rates are so high, it hardly seems worth having subscriptions at all. Appreciate any comments!

ddjo

8:21 am on Apr 9, 2010 (gmt 0)

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we offer an online direct debit solution, branded in your company name. We have a range of products from a very simple hosted solution through to an integrated api.

When direct debits are cancelled you are informed immediately, direct debit cancellations (addacs) come with a set of reason codes, which detail the reason for the cancellation, such as "instruction cancelled by payer" or " payer deceased" so you are left in very little doubt as to the reason for the cancellation. There are 9 reasons a dd can be cancelled, but at least you would know why. The dd cancellation rate is significantly lower than that of credit card etc
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piatkow

8:57 am on Apr 9, 2010 (gmt 0)

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I have never tried working with subscriptions but my credit and debit cards are often reissued with new numbers before expiry. In your case I wouldn't be suprised by a 25% failure rate.

I think each renewal needs to be preceeded by a mailing warning users that it is coming and that card ****nnnn will be charged, and advising them to log in and update details if the card has changed.