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Paypal registration required for *payers*?

Paypal registration required for payers, not just vendors?

         

rundmw

6:30 am on Aug 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Yet another Paypal question, though it pertains to what appears to be a recent change in Paypal policies, so I hope the question is considered reasonable by the community at large.

One of the nice things about Paypal was that a registered vendor (like me) could request payment from anyone who had a supported credit card. The customer himself did not need to be a Paypal member. A vendor could create a payment link, send it to the customer, and the customer would be presented with a choice:

  • Login to his Paypal account, if he had one and wanted to make a soft payment from his "Paypal" funds.
  • Jump directly to credit card details, no membership/login required.

The last payment I received with Paypal was in late July and the payer was offered these choices.

Now, when I send the same payment link to the customer, the resulting page he sees requires him to login. The second option above was no longer offered.

A colleague suggested that perhaps this rule applies only to transaction amounts above a certain threshold. But I have tested with lowered thresholds and it still seems to require the payer to login.

I have done some Googling for a news announcement, but have come up empty.

Anyone have a similar experience? Any comments or links to an announcement would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and cheers!

dpd1

7:23 am on Aug 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I don't know how the request page looks, but on a regular purchase page... it does mainly show a log in dialog, but down at the bottom left there's a subtle link that says 'Not a PayPal member and like to pay with card?" or something like that. They would have to be totally nuts to reverse that, so I think maybe you're people are missing it somehow. However... What I believe they did change a while back, was the requirement for paying as a non member. If the email they're using had an account associated to it at any time, they will insist they use that account and card to pay, and not allow logging in as a non member. Which is a real pain, because sometimes people have old PP accounts with old card numbers, or they're at work and want to use a work card.

rundmw

8:22 am on Aug 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Hi dpd1. Thanks for the quick reply.

Take a look at this payment link:

[paypal.com...]

The link was generated using their current Website Payments Standard interface. [ Feel free to make a payment. Ha! ;-) ]

When I open it as a prospective payer - using one of my secondary browsers, like Opera or Chrome, with all cookies cleared, so there is no reasonable chance of being identified as an account holder or as a previous visitor - I get a page with two forms: one for registration, one for login.

But no option for payment without registration.

I do recall the link you describe that used to appear on this payment page. The page surely tried to nudge the payer towards registration/login, but it was clear enough how he could simply bypass that and go straight to credit card details.

So is Paypal crazy to remove this option? I sure think so.

Or am I missing something?

Again, thanks for your help. Cheers!

rachel123

1:55 pm on Aug 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I see the payment without registration option when I open your link. It is to the left of the log in box..."Don't have a paypal account? ...clicked continue, took me right to the enter payment details. No account needed.

rundmw

4:00 pm on Aug 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Hi rachel123. Thanks for your help.

Now, we are really in weird territory. I am totally not getting any such link. For example, the page I get looks like this:

[easycaptures.com...]

I wonder if it is detecting that I am out of the US and applying a stricter standard, requiring me to register/login. [ I guess I'd have to play around a bit with a US-based proxy. Hmmm, don't really like the idea of entering my user/pass info in some untrustworthy proxy.]

But there is another odd element here. My customer,who is definitely US-based, reports experiencing the same thing as I am experiencing: registration/login required. In fact, it was she who initially reported the problem.

Now, what do you make of all that?

Again, thanks for taking the time to help out.

Leosghost

5:08 pm on Aug 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Wether or not you see that link has been dependent upon where you are for maybe a year or so now ..( been discussed here about 6 months back ) at least thats how long I've seen it doing that in France.

Plus it comes and goes ( which makes setting up a site that uses the paypal system " no reg/login" to collect payments very hit and miss ) ..

In Europe some sites in some countries have the link , some sites in the same country dont pass to a page with the link ..not surprised that they have started doing this in the US too ..only paypal know why and where and when they are doing this ..and why they change overnight ..without warning ..

rocknbil

5:28 pm on Aug 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Try deleting all payPal cookies, then hit that link again. If PP recognizes the cookie, I think it will feed you a page without the no-payment option, even if you are not logged in at that time.

dpd1

8:07 pm on Aug 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, on your first link I get the non-member option too. Why it doesn't show for you I'm not sure. If it was a browser memory issue, I think it would happen more easily... I log in all the time but I still get the option. I would call them and ask what the deal is. Let us know what you find out, I'd like to know what is happening as well.

rundmw

1:52 am on Aug 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

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@rocknbil: Thanks for the advice. Visited Paypal with all Paypal cookies deleted. Same thing, payment required reg/login. ;-(

@Leosghost: Thanks for that key piece of info. I didn't realize that the change had taken place so long ago; it only hit me this month. But like you say, it appears to be hit and miss and only Paypal knows the criteria under which they will require a payer to reg/login. Phases of the moon and gerbils reading tea leaves, perhaps.

@dpd1: Yeah, I too, used to get both options,even when logged in.

Guess I will have to take @dpd1's advice and contact Paypal customer service.

Thanks mucho to all for your help. I'll let you know what I find out.

Cheers!

piatkow

3:43 pm on Aug 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I see "enter your billing information" rather than "create a paypal account" but I know that when I have purchased from a merchant who uses PP in the past they have created an account automatically and I have not been able to use that card again without logging in.

It certainly isn't my job to p*ss around deleting cookies, I just shop elsewhere.

dpd1

7:11 pm on Aug 30, 2009 (gmt 0)

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It doesn't create an account automatically... If it did, you clicked that it was OK to after you filled out the info. PayPal is by no means perfect, but it isn't the devil that a lot of people make it out to be. I've done hundreds of international transactions with PP and have not been scammed even one time, nor even had a single problem. I seriously doubt that would be the case using independent processing. The biggest problem PayPal has is people's perception of it. The few times people have a problem with it, I politely ask them what exactly the problem is/was, and the majority of time they have no response. That tells me that they don't really have a legit problem, they just feel like bit**ing about it because they hear other people do it. PP has become the red-headed stepchild of payment methods.

piatkow

8:54 am on Sep 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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If it did, you clicked that it was OK to after you filled out the info

OK, maybe there was an option that I missed. If it was that well hidden I stand by my previous post!