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The situation is frustrating to know end. We KNOW this person is fraudulently filing a chargeback.
Scheme: Customer has his live in GF sign up for an account with us. They fund the account with his credit card and then use our pre paid debit card to make transactions. Including the payment of his annual car registration, parts for his car, Time Warner Cable bill and Netflix.
In the affadavit the customer states "neither I, nor any authorized user received any benefit or value from these charges.
Clearly he did, as we proved he registered his car with the DMV in NY state.
Our merchant bank is telling us, sorry if you don't have delivery confirmation there is nothing we can do. We do have CVV2 and AVS matches.
I am fairly certain I share this frustration with others. If someone wrongfully used his card, fine we owe it to make him whole. But when we can see the transaction information through our processor and see that he did these transactions is it frustrating.
Surely there is some sort of remedy for merchants in this situation. Please help :)
Respectfully,
John
First of all thanks for taking a moment to pitch in. I appreciate your input.
We thought wow this is an open and shut case we provided tons of supporting documentation and celebrated, thinking there is NO WAY they will let this guy get it back.
Instead I get a snippy CSR from our bank saying with no delivery confirmation she can't help us. I understand that, in a typical scenario, and I do strongly feel customers should have recourse but this is just obvious fraud.
Thanks for your suggestion the unfortunate part is a court case on the opposite coast of the country will cost us more than the CB amount. Though I am thinking of authorizing that route just on principle. At some point you have to do what is right regardless of the cost.
I was hoping someone knew of a way or loophole to overcome the whole delivery confirmation issue by showing them it is a fraud claim. Right now our bank is not willing to look outside the box.
When I first joined the company about 9 months ago we were at 8-10% fraud loss (ouch) now we are at 30 basis points for CC and 20 BP for ACH so my program is working. I just can't stand the idea that this guy is doing this.
Thanks again...
Anyone else?
I'd contact the police (and perhaps a lawyer). If you can prove he lied on the signed affidavit (which it looks like you can), my guess is that he can be in a world of hurt and could face jail time. It may take some time and effort, but I would pursue it as far as you can.
I understand the points everyone is making and agree. I understand an issuers motives in protecting their bottom line but with the growth of ecommerce and the importance in the issuing banks bottom line that they'd update their processes to include evidence of fraud claims.
Thanks folks I really appreciate the help. If nothing else it led me to this forum. Even though I am asking a very basic question I have much experience in ecommerce fraud and helpd start one of the companies I see mentioned on nearly every page here, so far. In specific I started their fraud program and ran their criminal investigations group for 7 years.
So I hope I can be off assistance to others on the forum.
Respectfully,
John
If you can't or don't want to do it I'm not going to say the fraud is your fault, but you do have some responsibility for the outcome.
Learn to play by the rules, even if they don't seem fair.
If there is concrete proof that their customer is committing fraud then the situation should be addressed. If not they are willfully covering for that behavior. And rewarding it frankly.
