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Fraud; Payment processor says not, I say it is

Refusing to ship

         

Essex_boy

8:47 am on Jan 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Ive a weird situ:

I have a site that sells food, I receive an order for 40 of X, 20 minutes later a further order arrives for 20 more of X than another for 23 more of X.

All to the same guy and all to the same (non residential) address.

I have never received an order for that many of one item with out first receiving an email asking about how many are in a case.

The orders pass fraud procesing at 7.15 am, by 7.40 the same guy places an order for a further 12 of x......

Then I get an email from the payment processor saying that he ordered the others in error, (yeah right) and all he now wants is the 12.

Same day I receive an email on the same subject asking would I ship cases of Y to Florida,no mention of how many are in the case, the shop in question only sells products themed on Y. Possible but highly unlikly.

I now invovled in a dispute with my payment processor as I wont ship because I say they are fraud.

Anybody else having similar problems ?

MLHmptn

11:22 am on Jan 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Where to? Miami or a suburb? I wouldn't doubt fraud one bit and the credit card processor could care less if it's fraud. Can you confirm the phone and address? Either way if you don't trust the sale, don't do it!

My 2 cents!

[edited by: MLHmptn at 11:24 am (utc) on Jan. 29, 2009]

Essex_boy

2:42 pm on Jan 29, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Not sure where in Florida as I deleted the email the order came from LA and the address was a bank.

Im not going to either, just way to weird to touch

MrHard

11:08 pm on Feb 15, 2009 (gmt 0)



Florida has a high fraud problem. Call tehe number and you will probably get a wrong number, a very rude person, or no answer.

Essex_boy

7:00 am on Feb 16, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Didnt ship it in the end, no one orders like that ever.

D_Blackwell

5:34 am on Feb 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Smells to high heaven. People do weird things though. You never know what crackpot is going to be the best customer ever. When I need to make or return calls I prioritize by who I think is going to be the easiest and most profitable. My ranking system is very effective. But once in a while the call on the very bottom, the one you don't even want to return, is somebody ready and able to spend a pile of money.

I would insist on more information and be straight about why. If you can't build a comfort level that it is legit then walk. As pointed out, it's your a.. if it's fraud.

MrFishGuy

7:39 pm on Feb 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Did you Google Maps the shipping address to see what it looks like?

One thing about Miami...lots of shipping ports. If the address is anywhere near the ports an dis a commercial building, it's probably going to a shipping company to be re-shipped.

mack

8:33 pm on Feb 19, 2009 (gmt 0)

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It seams very strange to place a large number of orders so quickly. The simple fact that they didn't wait to receive the first shipment (sample) before placing further orders is the part that would make me nervous.

Mack.

Essex_boy

1:15 pm on Feb 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Google Maps the shipping address to see what it looks like? - I didnt bother, my payment processor is now dealing with acomplaint from the customer, over non shipping.

All very odd if yuo ask me.

D_Blackwell

4:29 pm on Feb 20, 2009 (gmt 0)

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my payment processor is now dealing with acomplaint from the customer, over non shipping.

Your processor wouldn't let you issue a credit back and refuse the order? Still dealing with this at all has got to be a huge hassle. A long time in the inbox.

A customer looking for credit on non-shipment has a legit sound to me. It may have been a strange situation, but on the up-and-up.

Essex_boy

3:43 pm on Feb 21, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I never charged the card in the first place, so no refund, im sorry but I still think this is a fraud.

enigma1

12:31 pm on Feb 22, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Some payment processors have different options whether to authorize or capture funds like anet. So regarding the dispute with the payment processor if they do offer that kind of options you should use them. Form what I am reading I would have done the same as you do, it looks fishy to say the least.

As of the question of seeing this kind of repeated orders I have but they were not legit as the payment processor discarded the orders.

chicagohh

3:27 pm on Mar 4, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I know its been over a week since the last post in this thread, but my recent situation relates -

An order came in for a widget. 4 minutes later, another order for the same person to a business (bank) address. 6 minutes later, another order. This went on and on every 4 to 6 minutes an order would be placed.

Fearing the worse, I started to investigate. At some point I decided to look up the phone number of this bank and gave them a call. I asked if that person worked there and I was told he did. I did a little social engineering and found out he was a manager. Eventually, I spoke with him and found out that he was buying my widgets for some of their better clients. He had to do it one at a time so their auditors could track each widget to a bank customer.

It was totally legit, but at first glance it looked like fraud.

CreditCardGuy

5:52 am on Mar 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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The best way to protect yourself in situations like these is to have the customer sign and fax an invoice with their signature and if possible, a photo ID.

If the customer refuses, you can feel confident that you've protected yourself.

If they comply, you have documented proof of the purchase in case of a chargeback.

Always remember, if the transaction is over $1,000 a photocopy of your customer's driver's license can protect you from chargebacks.