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Copyright protection of files that are downloaded

         

MitchellC

11:46 pm on Dec 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I wanted to protect jpg files that a visitor buys from me so the buyer doesn't distribute them to friends for free. I am trying to protect copyrights.

Is there a way to protect my jpg from being distributed across the net? Can the file be protected some way? Based on number of times it is opened and/or time?

If so, is this difficult to do?

Thanks,
Mitchell

jdMorgan

12:37 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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There are no technical solutions to prevent copying, as the various music and video copy-protection fiascos have demonstrated. There are methods such as watermarking and steganography to prove that images belong to you.

Register your copyrights with the US (or applicable) government Copyright Office, clearly tell your customers that the images are sold for specific use(s) by the buyer only, and may not be re-sold or re-distributed. Clearly define your terms of use, so that there can be no misunderstanding of those terms. Litigate against anyone who violates your terms.

For details, consult with a Copyright attorney.

Jim

MitchellC

1:35 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Bummer--I thought there was something..like a time expiration.

Going after people for Copyright infringement is just a way for attorneys to get rich.

tangor

1:40 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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We do want to protect our intellectual property, but be care of over protection (ie: root kits and other invasive DRMs). Nothing can kill your potential customers faster than making it TOO difficult to use/enjoy what you create/sell. (Just a look from the other side of the coin)

jdMorgan

1:53 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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> Going after people for Copyright infringement...

is the only way to defend your copyright. It's just business.

Jim

MitchellC

1:57 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the input....but there's got to be a way. iTunes must protect the music from being passed around, right?

GaryK

2:13 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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iTunes must protect the music from being passed around, right?

In the beginning they used Digital Rights/Restriction Management aka DRM to protect their files. They eventually realized this was counterproductive and started offering files unencumbered by DRM. Essentially they are trusting their customers to not be thieves. As was suggested here they use a form of watermarking to help keep track of their files. But essentially anyone can give an unprotected file to anyone. Amazon's music download services is doing this now as well. So are many other music download services.

Syzygy

2:22 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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If external links are allowed in this forum, here's an interesting article from the UK's Guardian newspaper offering the perspective of the infringed everyman.

Who is selling your photo's online? [guardian.co.uk]

Syzygy

MitchellC

2:46 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Wow! Thanks for the great info...also a super article Syzygy--thanks.

I need I am going to invent the "Mission Impossible" code. You open the file one time, and at the end it goes up in smoke.

jdMorgan

2:46 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Taking the music-protection model as an example, you write a browser plug-in so that your images can only be displayed on PCs that you've licensed to display them. After development and testing you're out, say $20,000 in costs. You try copying the image to another (unlicensed) machine, and sure enough, the plug-in on that machine's browser refuses to show you the image. The image requires the plug-in to decode it, and so can't be opened with any common image viewer. The plug-in plan is great! -- It works!

But while you're over at the unlicensed machine, my 11-year-old kid sits down at the licensed machine, hits the CTL-ALT-Print Screen keys, opens MS Paint, pasts the Windows clipboard into Paint, saves it as a .jpg file, and e-mails it off to all her friends from her Yahoo Webmail account -- takes thirty seconds to do, tops.

The only thing that saves audio sellers is that most PCs are not set up to simultaneously record what they are playing. In other words, they cannot record themselves playing a tune.

However, the same is not true for images, and utilities such as Camtasia mean that even videos can be recorded right off the screen. But even for audio, the output can always be patched out to a separate recorder, or to another PC; The only loss is that this 'patch' is usually analog. But given the low quality of MP3s (in absolute 'audiophile' terms), the slight loss of fidelity from one digital-analog-digital translation is of little consequence.

The basic problem is that once anything is "downloaded" from your server it is, by definition, "copied." You are not looking at the original page containing this thread on WebmasterWorld, you are looking at a copy stored in your computer's memory by your browser. That WebmasterWorld logo at the top left corner, although copyrighted, has been copied into your machine. A copy exists in your browser's cache in your PC's memory at the very least, but also probably in the page swap file on your hard drive. It's copied and copied and copied.

The registered copyright on the WebmasterWorld logo doesn't protect it from being copied, as it must be in order to be displayed. But if you save that image to disk and offer it for sale as your own original work, then the law comes into play; By this time next year, WebmasterWorld may own your business, your house, your car, your appliances, and your furniture -- This depends on whether you're incorporated, and on how well your attorney has separated and protected your corporate and personal assets. (This scenario is purely hypothetical, just to illustrate the point.)

Jim

GaryK

2:49 am on Dec 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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offering the perspective of the infringed everyman.

Are we to feel sympathy for two people who appear to have improperly distributed photos on the web and then had the photos stolen by someone else who wound up selling them?

In the first case they weren't allowed to take photos but did.

In the second case the lady at the very least violated a trust put in her by the band she was taking photos for.

Was there some point to this article beside a primer in what not to do online?