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Considering selling e-commerce site

relative value of website appraisal services

         

beyondenchanted

3:03 am on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm considering selling my e-commerce site. What are the opinions
of other e-commerce webmasters as to the relative worth of having
a domain appraiser such as Hollywood Domains, for example, to
prepare a formal appraisal of an e-commece site in preparation for
selling same?

What other ways are there presently to squarely ascertain the actual
cash value of an e-commerce site for possibly sale in the marketplace?

Any solid experiential insights from another e-commerce site owner
who has sold a site recently would be appreciated. Was a formal site
appraisal actually required to sell the site? if not, how was the value of
the site arrived at ahead of posting it for sale?

Are there viable online venues / reputable honest brokers who
assist in selling an e-commerce site?

BeyondE

Essex_boy

4:09 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Id use a straight forward business broker, many of the 'brokers' I see on teh web appear to be a touch ropey to say the least.

Try your yellow pages for a listing and have several look at it.

new_shoes

10:40 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> how was the value of the site arrived at
> ahead of posting it for sale?

This is how I evalue (smaller) sites for sale - as a buyer.

A. Get access to the accounts for as a long period as possible, but focus on last 12 months
B. Set a target ROI of the investment, let's say 10% p.a.
C. If the site owner/the numbers seem to give a profit of $100,000/year, then:

C1. $100,000 should be the 10% return, so
C2. ... this means the total worth is 100.000/0.1 = $1,000,000

D. If asking price is above $1,000,000 then ROI must be less than 10% -> dont buy
E. Else, buy

This is a very simple approach, but from the buyer's point of view, it all comes down to the return of his investment. Sometimes it's much more complicated than the above, because the ecommerce site might be bought as part of a consolidation effort, for it's DB of info, it's client list, whatever. But for straightforward cases, I use the above formula to guide me.

Btw, this is "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" stuff, in case you are interested.

oddsod

11:20 pm on Apr 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

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new_shoes, nice workings, wrong numbers. It's very, very rare to see a website going for 10x annual earnings. Unless they are a big listed company with some IP or other property behind them.

Most sites selling for under $50K go for 6x to 18x net monthly earnings. You may not like the figures but that's what the reality is. You seem to have not factored in the much higher perceived risk for web businesses vis-a-vis B&M.

E. Else, buy

If you're offering 10X annual earnings I'm sure thousands of WW members will have sites they want to sell you. I've got half a dozen sites you could have for 5x.

the relative worth of having
a domain appraiser such as Hollywood Domains, for example, to
prepare a formal appraisal

There is a class of buyer, I suppose, who may be impressed by a "professional valuation". People who buy businesses on a regular basis will recoginse these valuations for what they really are - a ego boost for the guy paying the appraiser's fee.

The hands on way to do this is to monitor other sites being sold, get Sales Memorandum and other info from the sellers, and see what sites are really selling for. Business brokers/business "transfer agents" and site-for-sale forums/sites are good places to start. Give yourself bonus points for the length and stability of earnings, deduct points for level of knowledge/time required to operate your business.

beyondenchanted

8:42 pm on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ahhh there is the rub. No one is talking. The way i see it, other owners of
e-commerce sites "want you to think" they are selling hand over fist. No one
that I know will tell the truth about their actual sales and real profits after being
online for 2,3,4 years. I would kill to know SOMETHING about what should be
expected in sales - for example weekly, monthly, after being online for a certain
number of years and having such and such ranking and linked to a certain
number of other niche sites. If anyone out there reading these posts who has
a fairly lucrative and successful site would venture to share just some small
pieces of their sales info - I would have a rudimentary yardstick. But no one
will dare to share their real info on sales and profits. It's a little bit like the story
of no one wanting to admit that in fact, the King was wearing no clothes.

Just call me hungry for real site sales barometer to go by.

BeyondE

RE: The hands on way to do this is to monitor other sites being sold, get Sales Memorandum and other info from the sellers, and see what sites are really selling for. Business brokers/business "transfer agents" and site-for-sale forums/sites are good places to start. Give yourself bonus points for the length and stability of earnings, deduct points for level of knowledge/time required to operate your business.

beyondenchanted

8:46 pm on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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PS from BeyondE ......

Since I have never bought or sold an active e-commerce site, how would
I go about finding out just exactly what other sites are selling for? I do not
know a thing about this subject, I do not have any problem admitting that,
as I had never considered selling my site until very recently.

BeyondE

oddsod

10:26 pm on Apr 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'll put together some info for you tomorrow.

wingslevel

1:26 am on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I am pretty close to oddsod on the valuation. The S&P 500 sells for about an average of 19 x earnings - but you have to convert that to cash flow by subtracting taxes, interest and depreciation - this gets the S&P to about a 12x multiple of annual cash flow. Check some values at bizbuysell.com, although they have their overpriced one's too.

Of course small businesses aren't worth nearly as large a multiple as large ones (after all, you could be just one Florida update away from ruin).

Be really careful about the numbers. Lots of business sellers run the operation out of their house and do lots of work themselves. You don't want to "buy a job", so put in a reasonable salary for a manager and reduce their earnings by this amount before you apply the multiple - same for office space etc.

Truth is lots of small businesses are worth lots less than what the owner thinks they are. Trick is to find a business that is really for sale, not one where the seller thinks, well, if I could get a million I'd sell....

oddsod

9:26 am on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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1. The valuation by a good accountant experienced with valuing businesses for sale is a million times more valuable than that of the numerous self-styled valuation experts on the web. Of course, not all accountants understand web businesses and that assets may take the form of a list of email addresses, a set of profitable Adwords keywords (with historic figures on their performance) etc. So find one who is. The association/institutes for accountants in your country should be able to help.

2. If a second and third opinion don't cost anything - then why not get them? A chartered surveyor maybe the person whose valuation the bank requires before lending on property but it's the unqualified estate agents who often have a good idea of what your property is worth. Talk to business transfer agents (who may also be called business brokers), many provide free valuations.

3. Irrespective of all the valuations the only way you know a business is going to fetch a fair market price is by getting your sales pitch together. Prepare a memorandum of sale and include all salient points, crucial parts of your stats (No BS, the moment I see someone has based his claims on "hits" instead of page views/uniques he immediately loses credibility in my eyes. The first impression is that he's either ignorant or a liar). In your SM include also all the financial figures - both gross and net. Don't make the mistake of assuming your time is free. Detail all the time spent on the site, assign a value to it and deduct it from Gross Profit to give the true picture of earnings. Put together some management accounts, your summary of the competition and honest "Pro and Con" outlook for the future. Any risks a buyer is likely to spot himself should be in your SM.

4. Market it. Unless you put your business up for sale you'll never know if you are going to achieve that asking price. Also, it'll give you an idea of what the market is really biting at. If you need confidentiality then you can market without disclosing your ID and get prospects to sign an NDA. If you don't have an exclusive agreement you can market in different places - various webmaster sites have a "Site for Sale" section. Various online brokers like businessesforsale.com will let you list for a small fee, others are free.

I am pretty close to oddsod on the valuation.

It seems you are nowhere close - with a valuation of 12 times what mine was. You are talking annual earnings, I'm not.

Ahhh there is the rub. No one is talking.

Huh? No, they don't need to talk. Why focus on what they are or aren't making, how big they are, or how many years they've been online. Your business will sell on what your business has. You seem too focused on how well others are doing - you don't need to know what figures others have unless you're looking to <snip> your way.

I would kill to know SOMETHING about what should be expected in sales - for example weekly, monthly, after being online for a certain number of years

There is no such figure. And, if there is, it's irrelevant for this purpose. It's profits, assets, domain, software, existing customer base etc that will determine how much you can sell for. And your historic profit is the single biggest relevant item.

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