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How important is FREE delivery?

         

adamnichols45

7:47 pm on Jan 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Do you use free delivery?

If not why not?

If you do would you ever go back to charging?

ispy

9:30 pm on Jan 11, 2008 (gmt 0)



Essential. When it comes right down to it charging for shipping is just not worth it, unless you are very well set up and organized, or are selling all similar products which weigh the same or can fit in a priority envelope to anywhere.

For items which vary every time calculating exact shipping rates to every location is a time waster and a headache. Also, customers will never buy if they need to go through hoops to find out what the shipping cost may be beforehand.

If you try to standardize the cost then the amount will often vary from the true shipping cost, so you have to calculate this at the end of the year, increasing mistakes and using up a lot of time, unless you pay an accountant to do it.

jsinger

10:08 pm on Jan 11, 2008 (gmt 0)

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No work at all for us or shoppers to compute. We usually charge a flat fee which slightly exceeds our actual average cost and kicks in a few cents toward packing materials and labor.

If giving fee shipping is a no brainer then why do most old line paper catalogers charge a fortune for shipping? They use shipping as a profit center. Somehow I trust JCPenny over DotComDuJour.com

Why should retailers give away something that is SO DARN EXPENSIVE and is getting more so by the day?

We use FS sparingly. Depends of course on your specific products and ship-to locations.

jake66

1:35 am on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

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i've tried free shipping on several different occasions. no matter what time of year the promotion begins, the flea market types flock to try and see what else they can get for free.

it also seems to give a lot of customers the impression that because it's free, it's going to be there next day (never understood this..)

i don't think i will ever offer free shipping again, it's been a headache the whole way around.

over the years i've slightly increased my shipping rates and gotten rid of ground - which brung my overseas chargebacks to a screeching halt. the cheapies would purchase the ground shipping (for example, in australia) and wonder why it's taking 6 or 7 weeks to get their order. duh.

i find the more expensive the shipping the more quality customers it attracts, it weeds out a lot of the crazies. oddly enough, i do get the occasional "i won't buy from you because your rates suck" but then i check out my major competitors and they're just about the same price (or more!)
when you get emails like that, you know you have something they want but can't find anywhere else. =) i have the same reaction myself when shopping online, but i usually have to buckle up and buy it anyway if i want it badly.

ambellina

3:22 pm on Jan 12, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I very rarely have a customer complain about having to pay shipping. However, at least 99% of our customers are in the transportation industry themselves, so maybe they understand that their fellow drivers are the ones who will be bringing their product to them. :)

Essex_boy

1:42 pm on Jan 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I include shipping in teh price of teh item then boldly state on the site :

All shipping worldwide $1 per item

Simple huh? Nope some plonker frequently emails asking how much the shipping is.....

I think people realise that there isnt such a thing as free shipping so it must be in teh price, witha small charge, they figure you have a good deal on shipping costs.

[edited by: Essex_boy at 1:42 pm (utc) on Jan. 13, 2008]

adamnichols45

4:34 pm on Jan 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

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My view on the free delivery model is that by advertising that fact boldly it some how makes you look more professional.

jsinger

10:33 pm on Jan 13, 2008 (gmt 0)

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some how makes you look more professional

Publicly owned dot coms were screaming "Free Shipping!" in 1999-2000 when they were desperate to hit their quarterly sales figures to satisfy Wall Street and stave off bankruptcy... for a while longer.

It's again the case that the primary business of some firms is selling shares of stock, not products. Some probably have loan covenants that require them to maintain sales benchmarks. Missing figures by a few dollars could cost those companies millions.

Make sure the "Professional" company you copy isn't the next Enron, HealthSouth, Adelphia, Tyco etc.

Or Citi or Countrywide, to add the lastest examples from the "Everyone is Doing It" business school.

adamnichols45

8:12 pm on Jan 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

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jsinger very informative post.

Something to think about. Although my figures wont quite compare Im sure I will be turning a profit "STILL" in 5 years time lol.

ByronM

9:34 pm on Jan 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Free delivery = cheap orders
charged delivery = business

If i offer free S&H i get a bunch of orders for cheap crap that people just don't want to drive out and buy. While its a sale, i'm not making any money and probably losing money because of labor/processing/fees in the end.

If i charge for delivery, people won't just buy 2 batteries and a charger. They will buy 2 batteries, charger, cell phone charger, replacement cell phone battery, bluetooth headset, bluetooth car install kit and other items.

I can sell 10 of the free ones vs 2 of the paid ones but the paid ones i make money on.

If people are committing to buying stuff of quantity, size or because its hard to get locally, shipping isn't going to kill the deal.

If people are buying stuff because they simply want it cheaper and don't want to leave the home then free shipping is just a piece of the pie you choose to deal with in that scenario.

[edited by: ByronM at 9:35 pm (utc) on Jan. 14, 2008]

adamnichols45

9:50 pm on Jan 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Indeed I do find myself in a funny situation! - Im offering a product that is avalible locally but the customers would be buying this during "work time"

Convienence is certainly a key factor here and I know that price is to. I can offer fre delivery and still make a killing.

My customers are not very net savy at all.

Does this make a differne web master world followers.

Whats your opinion?

Demaestro

10:15 pm on Jan 14, 2008 (gmt 0)

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We have authored a series of books. The books are available in major book stores but we also sell it online on a website set up for the series.

We just got back our sales breakdown and we found that we were being outsold online by Amazon books.

On our site the books are listed at $16 with FREE shipping.

Amazon was listing the books at $12 and was charging for shipping... once you completed an order it worked out to about $17.10 which was more then on our site.

We summized/assumed that anyone doing a price comparison would look at our site and see it for $16 and look at Amazon and see it for $12 and naturally would buy it there because it was listed cheaper even though once you get tagged with shipping it works out to be more.

As a result of this assumption we lowered our price to less then Amazon's price and added a shipping cost. We end up collecting the same amount of money per book but when someone looks at our price they see that it is the lowest price available online, this has increased our sales by about 15% so far and in the low sales season.

So I would say lower your prices and charge for shipping at time of check out.. it can give the illusion of a deal to people doing price comparisons.

piatkow

12:07 pm on Jan 15, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Amazon (UK anyway)have a nice little trick:
P&P on CDs is way higher than actual cost
List price is reduced by something less than the difference
Result - Amazon LOOKS cheaper than buying "off the stage" at a gig.

HRoth

1:17 am on Jan 16, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I used to have free shipping over a certain amount, but the amount was too high, and what would happen was that other merchants would buy stuff from me to resell in their shops and the shipping would be enormous. So I quit that. Since then, the closest I have come to free shipping is offering a flat rate for one class of my widgets. This flat rate covers my shipping costs with no extra profit, which means it is a pretty darn good price for shipping. It certainly seems that people are encouraged to buy more of those widgets because of the flat rate. But the postage on my other widgets is much higher because they are all different sizes and weights and generally heavier, so the flat rate idea won't work. And since many of my widgets are already on the high end, I don't want to be raising my prices still more so I can say I have free shipping. So for me, I don't see how it is workable. Yes, Amazon does have free shipping if I spend at least $25. I am not Amazon.

georgei

4:17 pm on Jan 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Excellent post guys, I was actually just on the verge of doing a lot of work to start offering Free Shipping with order minimum amount of $xx, to keep up with the competition.

But ByronM has brought up a very good point about people jumping all over the cheap stuff.
It may still be worth it if you set a decent minimum order amount to get the free shipping.

adamnichols45

5:34 pm on Jan 22, 2008 (gmt 0)

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For my product free shipping is worth doing. For a start the people that the buy the product could only really buy it as cheap as I will be selling at their local b&q etc.

They will most certainly think about how much the individual item is costing! ie 5 in a pack 1 is £5.00

Our item comes in at £4.00 with free shipping BINGO

Should generate sales.