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eBay - just not worth it anymore

         

ByronM

3:03 pm on Dec 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Last days of the Holiday Season and eBay decided to suspend my selling abilities until Safe harbor can verify me.

Anyone else run into this?

I'm having a hard time convincing myself that eBay is a viable alternative at all anymore. Support swears left and right that after this formal review i'll be fully certified to sell but i hardly believe that. I think i'll just be a certified glutton for punishment if i stick around anymore. Whats to say next year when i double my sales again that i won't be flagged as fraud? Especially since i wasn't warned about this requirement or "Feature" in advance while opening and paying for an ebay store!

Rugles

6:40 pm on Dec 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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That is a constant discussion in this office, "is ebay worth it?".

We do not have the problem you have but we get about 10 questions for every sale. Its time consuming and the sales pale in comparison to our Amazon sales. We keep hoping that someday we will do some respectable numbers on ebay but we are getting tired of waiting. It seems that ebay buyers are only looking for really good deals at firesale prices. We are only selling on ebay as an added channel and not interested in losing money.

ByronM

7:46 pm on Dec 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Yeah, thats been my opinion. I make a few decent sales but its not really worth the cash flow from there - especially after fees these days.

I just cant imagine how someone who does thousands a month in sales (did good shipping over seas) gets put on hold because "You hit a sales limit and need manual review".

arggg..

Seems to be eBay = LiquidateBay - Dump all your unsold/refurb/returns and hope to cash out.

Demaestro

8:17 pm on Dec 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Even if you are a respected seller the problem is there is too much garbage out there... so even though you keep your side of the street clean everyone else's garbage is blowing into your yard.

I have found I get more "offers" then I do sales, so I think you are right when you say many just want an uber deal.... what is funny is when they find it they are so skeptical of it that 10 questions roll in before a sale.

ispy

10:56 pm on Dec 19, 2007 (gmt 0)



Exactly, Ebay is for people wanting to wheel and deal, not buy things. But they will buy anything thats a deal no matter what junk it may be.

There is a similar problem I have seen trying to sell stuff on a social networking site. Tons of questions, people calling from who knows where, wanting a discount of a couple dollars or no deal, extended inspection visits with haggling over a couple dollars. Finally figured out that there was something else going on here...

trinorthlighting

11:55 pm on Dec 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

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We stopped ebaying last year due to declining sales and rising ebay advertising prices and the percentage charged by pay pal. Simply put, very bad upper management decisions starting with the CEO have caused the good sellers away and buyers can buy the same products elsewhere even cheaper.

The big point ebay missed, if you raise up selling prices and pay pal selling charges to a whopping 20% in some cases, who pays for that expense? Buyers or sellers?

The good sellers ended up moving, the good buyers are following and what is left on ebay? Not much at all. I would not be suprised if their quarterly results will be way down compared to last year.

palain

12:36 pm on Dec 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Started on eBay but quickly realised that costs were very expensive. I was better off with a web site and paying the same amount in ppc. At the end of my first year, all accounted, 20% of my sales went in eBay / Paypal fees. The reason is that

"you can't always sell what you list" .... hmmm shold be a rolling stones song maybe? -> you can't always get what you want

Now 90% of my traffic is organic and 10% PPC.

There are some items which cannot be sold on the web site and are much better on eBay. Just have to know which ones. (one item is scrap widgets) which can fetch a nice price if you can find a buyer - eBay does that. You have to research final values so as to not to give your item away and start with a reasonable value. I add a buy it now option of about 20 % higher than start price and almost always sell buy it now.

There is the non paying bidder also - the one who buys but doesnt pay for 10 days after repeated notices. I have no patience for that!

I guess you may pass on the listing fee to the S/H part of the price - I try to do that when I sell scrap widgets

trinorthlighting

4:34 pm on Dec 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Selling scrap/discontinued items on a 99 cent 7 day auction is great. But for the most part, selling new items at MSRP on ebay is a thing of the past. Too bad Ebay made the moves that they did with the 20% selling fees. They encouraged the 99 cent auctions and killed off the MSRP items which brought in more money per transaction.

Oh well, may be they will change, their stock is taking a beating and they recently have been taking losses according to their financials.

bwnbwn

4:59 pm on Dec 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

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My wife was a big seller at one time she got fed up with is as well and quit over a year ago funny thing is she still gets those Power Seller Diplomas I assume to try to get her back into it.

Essex_boy

10:01 pm on Dec 20, 2007 (gmt 0)

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good deals at firesale prices - To true.

The only things I found sold on there were cartoon character themed merchandise that was no longer in production, I could end of lines for half the whole and sell them on there.

Apart from that its a waste of time, too expensive.

ByronM

3:05 pm on Dec 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Day 4 and my account is still frozen. eBay support says there is nothing they can do.

I still can't list and if i don't sell these quick i end up paying taxes on it all.

I've focused all my advertising/marketing on my website. eBay can stick it where the sun don't shine.

BTW, they "Froze" me because i sold 10,000 dollars worth of stuff last week. Yeah, when you sell big dollar items it ads up. Why would an ecommerce platform FREEZE AN ACTIVE Seller WITHOUT warning to "Verify integrity" even though my feedback shows it.

grrr.. eBay.. i'm so done with you.

[edited by: lorax at 7:37 pm (utc) on Dec. 22, 2007]

Essex_boy

8:08 pm on Dec 21, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I detect a certain hostility in your words.....

rampzoid

12:37 am on Dec 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

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ebay will put high volume sellers in an early grave.

my wife sells sports type toys big time - the admin is horrendous, the ebay & pp fees extortionate. also the stream of petty complaints combined with the constant threat of negative feed back is mentally debilitating.
example of recent neg feedback - postman left parcel outside my door & the packet got wet - is this for real?

its a push button society & most buyers' don't realize that matter transporters have not yet been invented or never will be as far as royal mail is concerned.

come the new year - no more ebay - a proper bricks & mortar shop would be a fraction of the hassle.

btw also she sells similar volumes on amazon with without any real problems so is there some kind of of ebay mentality out there?

ByronM

5:05 am on Dec 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I can finally list items - again, just tried out of the blue without any notification and it worked.

I sent 2 emails with "What is going on, how can i become a verified seller as support is telling me i need to do before i can list items" and never got a response to those emails, never got a phone call, never got anything but now i can list items.

Moving on indeed. eBay wasn't the core of my overall strategy but to cut off a chunk of my market in the last throws of the holiday season was simply mind boggling.

Its also mind boggling they can verify their concerns without even contacting me or letting me know the findings.

Live and learn i guess

Malibucreek

5:41 am on Dec 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

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My wife tried eBay for the first time this week. Now, she vows she'll never click to the site again.

She bid on an item she wanted for a gift to a relative. She though she had it, but, being a newbie, was surprised that she lost to a last-second bid that beat hers by a buck.

But what really steamed her is that the auction winner put the very same item up for bid... just two hours later.

In her view, the site's filled with speculators, buying stuff they don't care about, bidding up prices and then selling to other speculators, who do the same thing. (Just like the housing market, 2001-2006!)

Can't say I disagree with her.

Essex_boy

3:31 pm on Dec 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

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some kind of of ebay mentality - Yes there is, they think nothing of rippnig you off and screaming blue murder if they dont like you.

I also suspect that the 2nd chance offer is a great way to shill bid their auctions up.

From a press report Ebay is suffering, fewer bids andfewer people stay on the site anywhere near as long as they used to.

jsinger

7:10 pm on Dec 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

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This subject has come up here every 6 months since the dawn of WebmasterWorld and every time most of us agree EBAY isn't worth it. Ebay, at least in our field, is about bored (desperate?) housewives and the unemployed. Also, it appeals to a sort of gambling addiction.

We used to test EBAY about every two years. I don't even do that anymore.

ByronM

8:17 pm on Dec 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Canceled. Good riddance as well! Now i got something to look forward to in the new year ;)

HRoth

10:57 pm on Dec 22, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I know some of my competitors regularly sell basic widgets on ebay, but I have no desire to do that. However, I am thinking of giving ebay a whirl for some items that are exceedingly rare. My customers have been waiting for me to have these things for years. I could sell them off my site, but I have no idea how to price them. I was planning to announce the sale in my newsletter. Anyone try selling rare one-offs like this?

trinorthlighting

2:14 am on Dec 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Money is better spent with yahoo/adwords/msn advertisements. Unless you feel like giving up 20% in fees to ebay.

King_Fisher

7:19 am on Dec 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Gave up on EBay two years ago. Use to sell rare action figures but it became too much of a hassle! Bloom is definitely off the Rose!...KF

sun818

6:18 pm on Dec 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

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eBay is rumored to lower their listing fees in 2008 while raising final value fee. Business model would be closer to Amazon's Marketplace model. Listing is free but higher take if item sells. Mix that with a hopefully better search algorithm and you might have a workable system. The algorithm I hope focuses on duplicate content and reduce visibility of items and sellers based on conversion rates.

gpilling

11:45 pm on Dec 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I sell some heavy, hard to ship items on eBay. This makes returns and customer complaints difficult to deal with. If the customer orders the wrong item, it costs more to ship the correction back and forth than the item is worth.

By comparison, I had dinner on Friday at a friend's house who also sells on eBay. His product is light, cheap and ships US Postal Service. His product costs are covered by the $3 shipping charge and he is doing 100,000 items per month. When there is an error - even if it is the customer's error - he refunds the money and sends them the new item no charge. He figures that this costs him about 2% of sales, and he doesn't worry about it.

So the final analysis that I come to is this - cheap, easy to ship items work fine. No fraud, no wrong sizes, no problem.

Expensive, hard to ship items do not work. And yes, there is an "eBay mentality"

As for PPC with my products, it has proven so far to be even more expensive than eBay's ridiculous fees..... but that is another story.