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Amazon launches state of the art specialty site

         

jsinger

8:02 am on Jan 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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WSJ January 4, 2007: "Amazon.com has introduced a web site, Endless.com, devoted solely to selling shoes and handbags, a departure for an Internet retailer that spent years building one of the best-known one-stop shopping destinations."

Site was apparently just launched. Very innovative in the way products are organized and shown, features I haven't seen elsewhere. Moreover, it offers free overnight shipping, free return shipping and 365 day guarantee. (yikes!)

I'm certainly not trying to plug Amazon's business, but retailers should take a look at this cutting edge site. Also have to wonder how far Amazon is going with spinoff specialty sites like Endless.

CernyM

5:24 pm on Jan 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Moreover, it offers free overnight shipping, free return shipping and 365 day guarantee. (yikes!)

These policies are standard in the online shoe industry. It would be difficult to launch a new site without offering these features.

This site is really a shot across the bow of Zappos, which has experienced absolutely phenomenal growth the last few years. Personally, I suspect that Amazon would have been better off buying Zappos if they wanted a chunk of this market rather than creating a "me too" in a crowded space (e.g. Zappos, Shoes, ShoeBuy, and Piperlime) but who knows.

jwolthuis

6:55 pm on Jan 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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How do they accomplish "free overnight shipping" without going broke?

I'm guessing they have distribution centers located across the country, so that UPS Ground deliveries reach their destination the next day.

I'm not sure how they accomplish that trick for AK and HI.

jsinger

7:01 pm on Jan 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Don't think free OVERNIGHT shipping is standard. Wonder how much the new site will rely on drop shipping rather than warehousing/shipping themselves.

I think I'll start "borrowing" my shoes from Amazon for 364 days at a time. Some of these incentives can't last (can they?)

Easy_Coder

8:14 pm on Jan 6, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Free Overnight Shipping isn't going to work long for anyone. Zappos does it during the last few days of the holiday crunch season. There's no way that policy will last. Even if UPS/FedEx was managing the logistics i.e. warehousing the product at the Shipping Depot this program would be very costly. In some cases it would completely eliminate the margin on an order.

I wonder if Zappos is going to counter this move by simply applying pressure to the margin by lowering the price.

corbing

1:34 am on Jan 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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I think that we would all be shocked by the rates that Amazon gets for Next Day Air delivery. With increasing volume, the shipping discounts increase. Getting over 35% off rack rates hasn't been a problem for us. I suspect that they have cut an amazing deal with the major carriers (UPS, FedEx, DHL) for Air shipping which is why they are also able to offer Amazon Prime (free 2nd Day and $2.99 overnight with a yearly membership). It wouldn't surprise me at all if they were getting Air shipping rates at approximately what most smaller companies pay for Ground. And, Amazon has multiple (8-10?) warehouses strategically placed around the US to make it an even better deal (travels across fewer zones and goes GND for many destinations). I'm sure the margins in these product categories support this business model considering that basically everyone selling shoes is able to offer free outbound and return shipping (that's expensive!).

I find it very interesting that they've created a whole new site for this venture instead of just another category in the "mall" that is Amazon. I can't recall them doing that for any other product category (except speciality sites such as A9). They also don't promote it very heavily as an "Amazon" owned company except in the About section and during checkout (powered by AMZN).

ItsAllBallBearings

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I agree with Corbing in that the nature of the beast allows for this type of biz model. Meaning, the MFGs make shoes for pennies (ok, maybe nickels), Amazon can demand and receive low wholesale prices from those MFGs, and then with their volume and with presorts, i'm sure they have no problem getting very low rates from the carriers.

My initial reaction was "uh-oh, this is an area where the little guy will have no chance to compete with the big boys". But, i dont think this model works for most online retail segments.

jsinger

4:36 pm on Jan 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Little profit making footwear. Many U.S. manufacturers have gone out of business. Plus shoes are heavy to ship and they are VERY likely to be returned. You can bet Amazon is twisting the manufacturers' arms for huge concessions.

Good question: why not buy Zappos or the like?
AMZN certainly has the cash ($2 billion of it!)and shares to use. But throwing money at pricey buyouts didn't work in the '90s. The value of other buy out candidates soared making acquisitions ever more expensive till the bubble burst.

But buying does make sense if Amazon wants to "endlessly" clone endless.com into other markets.
This bold move sends an unmistakable message to future buyout candidates: "sell at a REASONABLE price or we (and our billions in cash) will enter your niche without you."

ItsAllBallBearings

4:46 pm on Jan 7, 2007 (gmt 0)

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jsinger - agree with about 95% of what you say...with that other 5% being the "we will enter your niche" part. No way Amazon dives into a niche segment of a market. I think if the little guys, and i am assuming most on this site consider themselves little compared to Amazon, anyway if the little guys stick to the niche segments, then Amazon will leave us alone. Now, if you're selling TV's for example, then you'v got something to worry about. But, if you're selling vintage, balck and white, box TVs, then you're probably ok.

Beagle

4:22 am on Jan 8, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Whoa - This hits close to home in that it may very well explain something affecting my own feet! Because of my shoe size, I have a hard time buying decent shoes locally, so I checked out Zappos and have been buying shoes from them for some time. Half of the fun of the site was happening upon unexpected clearance deals on big-name expensive shoe brands, and I've bought more shoes than I needed because of them.

Then, shortly before Christmas, it all changed. Within a period of two weeks, there was nothing on the site with more than a 10% markdown from the original price. At first I thought it was just a pre-Christmas thing, but it didn't stop. Last week I finally sent them an email begging them to tell me this was some kind of a temporary policy, but the answer was that, nope, this is permanent. Needless to say, I'll only be buying what I need from now on (they still have the world's best customer service, and I still have weird-sized feet, so I don't intend to desert them completely).

I hadn't heard about the new Amazon site until I saw this thread. The two things seem too closely linked timewise to be completely unrelated, but I'm not sure what would be behind it. Is it an effort by Zappos to keep their margin high enough to not get blown out of the water? Have the big-name expensive shoe brands started sending their clearance goods to Amazon instead of Zappos?

-----ETA: I just checked out the endless.com site. I'm underwhelmed, but it is still in beta. The selection so far doesn't hold a candle to Zappos, with many of the best brands not listed at all. The search options aren't nearly as useful as Zappos (for me, at least). It's slow-loading. And, surprisingly for an Amazon site, it lacks one of Zappos best features - customer reviews.

[edited by: Beagle at 4:54 am (utc) on Jan. 8, 2007]