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Credit Card Processors

One mans trials and tribulations

         

mbennie

2:43 pm on Jan 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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First, I should say that while the Internet business in general suffers an approximate 5% chargeback rate my business is fortunate enough to be in a niche where we get almost none. (4 chargebacks on over 2 million in sales).

This being said, finding the right credit card processor is of extreme importance and can be often disregarded - I believe most webmasters simply take what they can get.

I started with Blue Pay. What a nightmare. These guys couldn't even balance transactions. Some days they would overpay me, then, they would go back into my account a week or two later and scoop out whatever money they thought they overpaid - often taking back too much. Then they would have to re-deposit the difference. In a few short months using them I couldn't make heads nor tails of what was coming in/going out so I stopped using them.

Switched to IPayment. This was one of the worst decisions I ever made in my life. Every time I had any dealings with them I had a dirty feeling as though I had been doing business with the mob. Customer service is non-existent. On a few occasions I needed to speak with someone other than a customer service rep and I would get into a never-ending voicemail loop. Leaving messages with these people is fruitless - call backs are non-existent.

Nonetheless, I stuck with them because I felt I had no choice. When my business began to outgrow the initial processing limit I sent them a request for a higher limit and about a month later I received a letter stating that my account would be closed in 30 days. There was no reason given. In fact, in the letter was a quote from my contract more or less saying that they can close the account for any reason or no reason at all. I spent those 30 days trying to get in touch with someone - anyone - who could either help or explain this decision. I left message after message and got nothing.

Then, to add insult to injury, when they did close the account they held around $8K in transactions in reserve without any notice. But apparently 9K wasn't enough so they actually EFT'd another $3.5K from my bank account so they could hold 12.5K. After this I finally got to speak with the Risk Manager who basically told me I was lucky they were only taking 12.5K and only holding it for 3 months. This had the potential to put me out of business and when I explained that to him he actually laughed at me.

IPayment finally returned the money 6 months after they took it and only after calling to speak with the corporate office 3 times. As an aside, not one single chargeback came in after the account was closed.

Finally I found a relatively new processor called Cynergy Data. I highly recommend these guys to anyone looking for a processor. They aren't quite as big as the other guys but they're growing fast. Customer service is excellent, account problems and questions are handled immediately and amazingly enough the people are actually friendly. They have allowed my company to grow and actually seem to appreciate my business. I've been with them since the IPayment debacle and I intend to stay.

I've learned that your credit card processor is sort of your silent partner in the Internet Biz. They can make you or break you. All the contracts are draconian - there's no way around that. So you have to find a company that will work with you and let you grow rather than simply living as a parasite on your back.

Choose wisely.

wackal

8:52 pm on Jan 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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sorry to hear about your troubles. a lot of these cc processors are like vultures. I checked out the company you recommended, but how come they don't list their rates on the website?

Essex_boy

9:27 pm on Jan 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes im in a similar situ, I have yet to receive money from my CC comapany from late November despite 'paying' out every two weeks...

Ive had everything from cheques in the post to oh call again in a few days just in case its been delayed. They appear to have payed out on orders I have not despatched and refunded shortly after taking.

Its really a nightmare. Im only glad that I missed the best part of the Xmas rush with them as Id now be packing up and calling it a day.

My next step is to take legal action should I not receive it in afew days.

Yeah its hell.

ganderla

9:30 pm on Jan 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Doesn't anyone use a regular bank?
I just have all my transactions go through my business account and the money is there the next business day.
All of these stories sound like nightmares.

moltar

10:17 pm on Jan 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ganderla: How can you do it through a bank? Does your bank have to have gateway of some sort to send them the numbers? Or do you just receive the CCs over email and process them manually?

moltar

10:20 pm on Jan 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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mbennie: I wonder how do you contact them? The "Talk to us" link resolves into a 404. So do many others on their site.

ganderla

10:24 pm on Jan 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The bank does have a gateway but I do them over an automated system over the phone. Thinking about this, I guess it would not be cost effective for someone who does hundreds of transactions a day. For someone like me who has 15-25 a day,it is fine.

moltar

10:46 pm on Jan 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So, how do you get the numbers over to your side? Over email? Don't you find it insecure?

ganderla

10:55 pm on Jan 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I use a secure database. Once I have the info, it is totally deleted. No way I would ever have anything like that sent over email!

mbennie

11:29 pm on Jan 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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moltar: All my dealings with them have been by telephone.