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Hiring a marketing agency

In or out of house?

         

CromeYellow

7:03 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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HI all

I wonder if anyone has experience in this area and can help us avoid potential pitfalls...

We are in the position where we need to decide whether to take on someone to do marketing full-time, or to hire an external agency.

Our main markets are the UK and US, and marketing would have to encompass on and offline, including email marketing, direct mail, print, PR and so on in both countries.

As the site is partially membership-based, we need someone who can help us develop (or at least spec) technology that will enable effective use of customer data.

My feeling is that we need a big(ish) agency with experience in both markets.

As we have no experience in this area, the decision is proving difficult to make, and if anyone could help me ask the right questions, or give the benefit of their experience, I would be grateful.

Thanks

Cy

icedout

8:57 pm on Jan 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Im in the same boat, any input would be greately appreciated.

hannamyluv

1:59 am on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Wedo very well with an in-house group. Much cheaper, and lots more control over the whole thing, especially coordinating different kinds of campaigns.

But to do this right you have to start out with one good person who can then train someone up when you hire another person. This is how the cost is kept down. The one good experienced person is going to cost you an arm and a leg though, but it's well worth the money, and still will be cheaper than hiring a marketing firm.

Receptional

11:20 am on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)



Being "an agency" I am in no fit state to make any recommendations. However, I can suggest what questions would help you in your decision.

You say the role would be "including email marketing, direct mail, print, PR and so on in both countries".

To my mind these are very varied requirements to expect one person to be expert in. Print is especially different to PR imho. Also, Expertise in the US is quite different to expertise in the UK.

I would think of things in terms of the "total cost of ownership" concept that software companies tend to recommend. Get a proposal from one or two agencies (try w*w.ipa.co.uk for a list of large UK agencies) and compare what they propose with the cost of employing a person in house with all the skills. You will need to double the salary cost of the individual for comparison purposes to cover office space, tax overheads et al.

Dixon.

sem4u

11:36 am on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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With different requirements you may be better offering the online or offline work to different agencies. This is because online and offline work can be quite different.

As to whether to find someone in-house or not, you need to weigh up all the costs of finding someone, paying their wages, new computer equipment, training etc. By that time you may decide to outsource at least some of the work.

The advantage of having someone in-house is that they can always be easily called upon to do some work as required, whereas your agency employee may be working with several clients at a time.

wingslevel

11:16 pm on Jan 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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We just hired an internal person - got lots of good resumes to pick through. The key for me was working out an entrepeneurial compensation plan that minimizes our risk, but gives him very attractive upside.

eWhisper

10:34 am on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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wingslevel,

entrepeneurial compensation plan that minimizes our risk, but gives him very attractive upside

Can you elaborate at all on the purpose of such a contract?

CromeYellow

3:24 pm on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think Receiptional makes a good point re the different skills required for the range of marketing activities we require. To get this moving quickly, an agency would seem to be the best approach.

That's not too difficult a proposition here in the UK, but what about choosing and then managing a relationship with a US-based agency?

Does anyone have experience or advice on that?

wingslevel

12:31 am on Jan 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Our compensation plan is about 40k (us) salary then a share of the firm's operating profit so they can make 100 if they knock the cover off of the ball.