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Tonearm

6:22 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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How long do you think a company should wait to ship an order? I can ship an order five minutes after it's placed if it's placed at the right time. The thing is, should I have some kind of a mandatory delay? I guess I'm thinking a delay gives a stolen credit card time to be reported.

sun818

6:36 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I ship same day when I can. But I don't expect other sellers to do the same. If it is an international order or a high ticket item, I do scrutnize the transaction. I even call the phone number to verify the customer information is accurate.

Tonearm

6:50 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Do you call the bank in charge to make sure the phone number you were given is correct?

sun818

7:49 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I try to make contact with the person who placed the order. If the order is legitimate, they will provide a legitimate phone number. If it is disconnected or you can't get through, I would be scrutinize the order further. I also e-mail buyers personally and wait for a reply.

PCInk

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I've had a few 'stolen' cards put through, about 18 months ago. It took about 10 weeks (one took nearly 5 months) before the card processor informed me of a chargeback. A mandatory delay does not help unless you are willing to wait a long, long time.

You need other information to make a quick decision. Sometimes you can call the customer directly and ask them something that only they are likely to know (or should we say remember, don't forget that fraudsters have probably placed another 10 orders in the meantime, under different names with other suppliers). One thing you can ask for is the customer service telephone number on the back of the card, for example.

Tonearm

8:14 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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sun18 - But couldn't a fraudster give you a phone number he could be reached at, confirm the order when you call, and then get the goods? I don't see how making that call makes the transaction any more safe.

PCInk - That makes sense. I suppose a day or two is unlikely to make a difference most of the time.

sun818

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> But couldn't a fraudster

Anything is possible, I suppose. But a simple phone call can build confidence in the transaction, or propel you to cancel it.

My point in waiting was to provide the buyer an opportunity to contact me. Not that the credit card company would notify me that the card is good or bad.

PCInk

8:25 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Yes, I called a customer once, just to check that the person existed. Obviously they said that they did and I shipped the goods. Months later a chargeback occured.

Unfortunately as much as people would like to help, we need to keep all of our fraud checking procedures confidential. But there are good pieces of advice out there. Try WorldPay, 2checkout, NetBanx etc... and others, some have publicly accessible fraud prevention techniques.

One thing is that fraudsters do want a fast delivery service. Many will pay extra for this service. If the order mentions a quick delivery, treat it with suspicion.

If you have the ability to ship the goods in five minutes, I advise that you usually do, unless suspicious.

Tonearm

9:27 pm on Dec 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Alright, thanks for your input guys. I'll keep an unconditional delay out of my shipping procedure.

jsinger

3:47 am on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I thought about holding orders for a day or two, because a tiny number of customers cancel or find entry errors. But I agree that it is best to ship the order immediately. Really impresses customers.

Chndru

3:55 am on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Another thing that sellers do (especially in calling cards etc) that they put small amounts on your card (like $0.55, $0.23) and ask you to confirm what those amounts are. This way, you can be sure, that the card belongs to you. But i dont know how feasible they are to your industry.

Lostin

5:37 am on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I lived in chargeback city for a while (getting a few come back a day). This happened when I started shipping every order that came through (all low ticket), but on high fraud items (IT related). When I got round to phoning dodgy orders, most would answer (although nearly all were mobile numbers), and say things like 'I've just changed address' or 'i'm working away at the moment'. These reply's would come back after asking why the address does not match (most big CC clearers will check the address or at very least the country).

Now I just send a message (email) with some thing along the lines of 'order on hold', if I don't get a reply with-in the time I allow, the order just gets refunded striaght back the card they came from. Those that do reply, I guess are OK or ask for more details, like fax of card and ID. Most that reply are OK.

Since doing this my charge backs are down by about 75%. The draw back is, it does upset some customers, but I do feel its the way to go now. Seems most of the fraud now (that slips through), is international orders which are harder to check.

All orders that come through clean, i.e. matching code and address, I still try and ship the same day. I have many customers who come back again and agin because of that (people do like seeing there goods in the morning). Sadly I still get a few complaints every month from those I have put on hold.

Just the way its gone for me (trading online for 4 years). Will also say, high ticket items, I always request a FAX copy of card or scan of card by post (with sig.). Lost far too much in the past. I end to find over 'x' amount, people will phone the order through any way.

To sum up, I would say: Ship ASAP, as long as the order matches up. Also be aware that most CC clearers will charge extra for a charge back if you don't refund it, before the charge back comes through.

tolachi

11:28 am on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I second jsinger. Customers love it when their order arives in 2 or 3 days. It's a good way to get repeat business.

John_Creed

4:17 pm on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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If you're holding my order and not shipping as fast as you can, I probably wouldn't order from you again.

Lostins advice sounds appropriate.

Robino

4:19 pm on Dec 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I have this on one of my sites:

"99% of all orders placed before 5pm(cst) are shipped on the same day."

And at the top of every page it says, "SAME DAY SHIPPING!"

danieljean

2:32 pm on Dec 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Have people started implementing things like Verified by Visa? Would things like this eventually get rid of the chargeback risk?

Essex_boy

4:10 pm on Dec 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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I ship within 24 hours unless im out of stock then I tell my customers so. Pays off I have many repeat customers.

SimonAllen

4:39 pm on Dec 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Lostin is absolutely correct, having been stung by chargebacks from seemingly genuine customers myself I advocate not fulfilling an order if there are any cautions or warnings from the payment gateway/merchant account provider. And if you're considering using one that doesn't provide live card verification (AVS) services because they might be cheaper then reconsider. It takes a lot of sales to generate enough profit to cover the cost of chargebacks.
There is a lot of legislation and insurance schemes throughout the world protecting consumers (purchasers) from card fraud etc but none (that I know of) protecting the vendor. The saying 'let the buyer beware' doesn't apply with distance selling, itd the seller who needs to beware.
Don't let me put anyone off, its still the best way of reaching volume markets simply and cost effectively, so long as you follow a few golden rules:
1. Don't fulfill an order if your gateway/merchant provider tells you theres a risk (unless you can genuinely satisfy yourself of the credibility of the customer and the reasons for the warning).
2. Don't skimp on using a cheap gateway/merchant provider who doesn't provide a verification system, it will cost you in the long run.
3. Communicate with your customers quickly if you're wary of an order then you can sort out the problem quickly under the guise of customer service.
There are probably a few more that others could add but I'm sure that covers the basics.