possible domain dispute

domain dispute cyber sitting

[p0welly]

Hypothetically I work for "Daves Shoes & Socks" we already have the domain "DavesShoes.co.uk" and wanted to add "Davessocks.co.uk". Davessocks.co.uk was registered by Franks Socks, but since has become detagged, we approached nominet and say said we needed to approach Frank, we approched Frank and he says "hes not sure he wants to transfer it, he will consider any financial offers made, and to call back on Friday" I asume so that he can re register the domain.

So any advice? We will be willing to Compensate Frank for his trouble but not to extent of being blackmailed.

How would nominets dispute service view this?

Is Frank Cybersitting?

[Crazy_Fool]

personally i'd say no, because the domain name is DETAGGED, but then i could be wrong.

option 1 - offer a small sum to compensate for his time and effort in getting the domain retagged and transferred to you. if you get any grief, point out that the domain should be yours and that if he doesn't cooperate, you'll just arrange for transfer using the DRS and he won't get a penny for the domain.

option 2 - register franksshoes.co.uk and a couple of other variations and offer to swap them.

option 3 - forget the domain name and it will eventually be released, but maybe not for 2 or 3 or 4 years.

also, whatever option you choose, send nominet a stinking letter of complaint about their stupid domain registration system.

[Mike12345]

Go crazy fool,

Send those muthas a letter of complaint :p

[edit_g]

Point out to him that if he is willing to sell it then he is obviously not using/going to use the domain for any of his own personal/business use- he is just sitting on it to get money out of you/someone else. Point out how this will make him look, in court, much like a cybersquatter.

Then offer him a small amount of money to let it go.

[piskie]

I thought Detagged meant that the domain name no longer pointed to a server.

The registrants ownership of the domain would still be current until the end of the registration period that has been prepaid.

Whether he could extend this registration period by paying the renewal fee without re-tagging, I am not sure.

You need to find out when his registration runs out and how long Nominets "Period of Grace" will be.

If there is no urgency and the name expires shortly, be patient and wait for it to become available. Making further approaches will likely make Frank re-renew his registration just to see what he can get.

If however there is some urgency, negotiate sensibly setting a "What's it worth ceiling" and don't be ripped off.

[p0welly]

His registration expired in November 2002, the domain is detagged but not yet suspended, Nominet claim they have a backlog and cant give any indication of when the domain will be available.

[Crazy_Fool]

>>thought Detagged meant that the domain name no longer
>>pointed to a server.

not quite - detagged actually means the previous registrar has chosen to have no further control of or responsibility for the domain. one effect of this is that it will no longer point to nameservers. pedantic i know, but that's the way nominet wants it.

domains are normally detagged by the registrar (or in nominet's terms, "the registrants agent") when the 2 year registration period expires and the registrant has not paid renewal fees.

>>Whether he could extend this registration period by
>>paying the renewal fee without re-tagging, I am not sure.

yes - the domain name is technically still Franks until Frank gives nominet permission to release it. i believe there are several hundred thousand domain names detagged and doing nothing because nominet either cannot contact the registrant or the registrant does not respond. kinda ridiculous for nominet to assume by default that people still want these domains - if they really did want them, they'd renew them .....

>>You need to find out when his registration runs out and
>>how long Nominets "Period of Grace" will be.

the original registration period has run out, but it could be years before nominet release the domain ... that's if they ever do release it ....... nominet are introducing a new renewals / release system close to normal procedures whereby domains will automatically be released, but i think this only affects new registrations ...

November 2002? don't hold your breath. i still see a number of domains that were detagged 2 years ago and are still not suspended.

[gsx]

If he does re-register it by Friday - tell him you don't want it at a standard domain price (i.e. < $30). If he wants more than that - give your number and name and tell him to phone you when the price drops. He will. Eventually. After all, he will have paid to re-register the domain and he'll want that money back!. Patience.

[CHC]

Do not contact the former registrant, they always get greedy. Just bide your time and monitor the name until it becomes available. Nominet have considerably speeded up the deletion process and it could drop far sooner than you might think.

[digitalbrain]

i suggest you contact frank "as a end user" dont tell you are a company and bid him a price of around $30 , Considering human psycology "Something is better than nothing " He will bid his price a bit higher than $30 , and of course u lay ur hand on it!.