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Someone registered a type-in for my domain name

how bad is this?

         

dingman

7:09 am on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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A little while ago, I registered word1-word2.(com¦net¦org), stuck a placeholder on it, and haven't started promoting yet because the product isn't ready. I did *not* buy word1word2, because I think it's more readable with the dash, both words are multisyabic, and the combination basically targets members of the RSOF. I figured that added up to low competition. Tonight, by a typo of my own domain, I discovered that a domain squatter registered word1word2 last week.

How much of a problem is this likely to cause in promotion? Buying the name from the squatter is not an option I could have afforded to register it, but even if I wanted to reward that business model I couldn't afford to. What particularly concerns me is that had intented to do a fair bit of targeted print promotion when the site is ready, and I don't want to lose half my type-ins to people getting the enom placeholder page that the squatter left there.

msr986

7:26 am on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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There's no nice way to ask this, but, if you thought that the word1word2 domain was important, how come you didn't register it with the others?

If you didn't think the domain was important before, it probably isn't any more important now.

dingman

7:41 am on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm cheap/broke, I didn't want to explain the expense to my wife, and I figured not having it resolve would be a good clue that they missed something.

I also hadn't thought nearly so much about details of promotion when I registered the domain as I have since. They don't teach that in a straight CS program at college (nor in the math program, which was my other major) and I hadn't been hanging out at WebmasterWorld very long. "Preferred Member" should be read as "loudmouth", nothing to do with how long I've been here. ;)

Obviously the mistake was made when I registered the domain, but I'm asking the more experienced here how bad a mistake it was, really.

tedster

7:53 am on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It boils down to how vital the print promotion is to your success. It might also matter if word of mouth (literally) is important to your promotional plans. People don't like to say "dash".

I haven't seen offline promotion work all that well for a pure-web effort. So maybe this domain name issue did you a favor in re-directing your efforts.

If I were in this situation, I'd keep the offline promotion minimal for a test period. If the ROI pays, then dive in full force, knowing you don't need to worry about typo losses.

msr986

8:20 am on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> It might also matter if word of mouth (literally) is important to your promotional plans. People don't like to say "dash".

I agree. If you use word of mouth, you may have a problem. If your promotion is purely web based, I don't think you have a problem. I have a similar situation with one of my local websites. Knowing that I would promote it verbally, I registered widgets.la (I do business in the Los Angeles area), widgetsla.com and widgets-la.com. I did not place much weight on the .org or .net. All of my other domains use keywords or business names and are promoted only on the web. I tend to think that users don't pay too much attention to the domain name when there is a link to click.

Hawkgirl

3:50 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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dingman, I've had the same thing happen to me. It sucks.

We've got SuperWidgets.com ... someone came along and registered SuperWidgets.us and then another guy registered SupeWidgets.com.

These two guys BOTH try to capitalize on my name, both advertise near me and try to steal my traffic. This is a BIG issue. Not only are they taking my traffic (@$&*^!), they're sullying my brand name because when you visit SupeWidgets.com it looks like garbage and the product offering is terrible.

My company is in the final stages of having our name trademarked - but until that is complete we can't do anything. Even a "cease and desist" letter doesn't scare them away.

My lesson was learned. So was yours, apparently. Now go forth and register every available permutaton of your domain name now, before more parasites get them and work on stealing MORE of your traffic. :)

rcjordan

4:18 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> the mistake was made when I registered the domain, but I'm asking the more experienced here how bad a mistake it was

The mistake can be compounded by putting all of your work into the site, making it high-traffic, and thereby increasing the value of his domain. Depending on the mental awareness of the phrase keyword1keyword2 when your potential visitor first sits down at the keyboard, my own experience indicates that approx. 20% of your future traffic may be at risk.

martinibuster

4:36 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Is it possible that the person holding the similar domain is not a squatter but someone with an idea, like you? It's not unusual for two people to have the same idea.

I had the same thing happen. However, I had registered my domain a couple months before, and contacted and negotiated with the other person, persuasively arguing that I was first, that I am well into the project, and that having two businesses with a similar name didn't make sense (to the honest businessperson, of course ;)).

Well, it happened that this person was a regular guy, like me. Fairly reasonable and after several emails, he agreed to sell me the domain at cost.

The moral of the story: There are still some decent people in the world and you should at least make an effort to contact this other person and nip their plans in the bud.

People can be money-grubbing, liars and thieves but the opposite still holds true with many many people who remain true to principles like honor and fair play.

dingman

5:33 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Martinibuster - that was the first thought I had, actually. I want more subject area content on this site than I'm going to be able to provide by myself, so I would have been more than happy to arrange something with another webmaster for mutual benefit. Unfortunately, I hit the registrant's website (figured it out from the WHOIS data), and they are openly in the business of buying domains and re-selling them. At a huge mark-up.

martinibuster

5:46 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Bummer...

Sometimes retreat is the best strategy.

No shame in going back to the drawing board, especially if you will be coming back in a stronger position. Armed with this experience, that would surely be the case.

dingman

6:02 pm on Nov 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Shucks. And I was so happy with myself for coming up with that name and angle for the site.

Lisa

12:07 am on Nov 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I would start over and get a new name. The non-hyphen version is the most important at building an empire on. If you are trying to build an empire start over right away. But I too have some hyphen-only versions of domains. I could careless about the non-hyphen versions! Because I only own the name for those keywords. They are not meant for offline marketing, and I would never build an empire on them. In that case you are fine.

Or your other option is go bloody postal on them. But it sounds like you have a tiny thing right now and it would not be worth it. I usually register the most common forms, hyphen, no-hyphen, common acronyms, and short-cut versions for my empire names. Then if someone registers a miss spelling I know it is intentional. They are after my pot of gold. I still don't do anything unless they develop a site or make profit off the domain. But the second they make profit go for the throat. I go full postal. Bring out the lawyers and the UDRP.