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How to register domain anonymously?

         

Scrubb

6:49 pm on Jun 23, 2002 (gmt 0)



I'd like to register my domain name either somewhat or completely anonymously. (NO I'm not starting a porn site.) 8-)

When somebody uses the WHOIS command I'd rather not have the user be able to see my name, address or phone number. Any advice on this? Can I simply fill in general/unspecific info in the fields I don't want broadcast to the free world?

--Scrubb

richlowe

7:35 pm on Jun 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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No, my understanding is legally you must include the info as valid so you can be contacted. You can, however, use a PO box or something like that if you wish.

Richard Lowe

littleman

7:55 pm on Jun 23, 2002 (gmt 0)



I've used lots of bogus info for domains, but for the keeper domains I give real info. Though no two domains have the same whois:

For the keeper domains I do like this:
Domain one -> Bill Smith
Domain two -> William S.
Domain three -> Kid's Name
Domain four -> Wife's Maiden name
Domain five -> Mr. Smith

Each domain has a different address and email contact too.

I may sound like a crackpot to the uninitiated, but if you are an SEO you can't be too paranoid.

Lisa

9:04 pm on Jun 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

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If you have a reseller account with a registrar this is easy. You need to make sure you can lock the domain. Because you will not receive the transfer request and your domain could be moved on you. If I have a bogus email address on a record I make sure the domain is locked. There is nothing illegal about providing false info on your record. There is no law against this. Some would like to have a law but there is no law.

Scrubb

2:53 am on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)



Very interesting... thanks for the info. For me it solves it if I can just use a company name (even if it doesn't exist yet) a PO Box and an e-mail address that doesn't include any reference to my name. I guess the phone number could always be left 000-000-0000. Thanks a ton.

--Scrubb

Scrubb

3:19 am on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)



One last question. How hard is to to change info once a domain has been registered? For instance if I wanted to change...
Registrant
Admin Contact
Tech Contact

I don't mind registering with real info if once its registered and my business is set up I can chance it all back to anonymous company info.

Thanks a ton in advance,

--Scrubb

JayC

3:54 am on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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There is nothing illegal about providing false info on your record. There is no law against this. Some would like to have a law but there is no law.

It's certainly not illegal. It is, though, almost certainly a violation of the agreement you made with the registrar when you registered the domain, at least with any ICANN-associated TLD. The Registrar Accreditation Agreement that each registrar has with ICANN requires them to get and maintain "accurate and reliable contact details" for each domain. And, from that agreement...

3.7.7.2 A Registered Name Holder's willful provision of inaccurate or unreliable information, its willful failure promptly to update information provided to Registrar, or its failure to respond for over fifteen calendar days to inquiries by Registrar concerning the accuracy of contact details associated with the Registered Name Holder's registration shall constitute a material breach of the Registered Name Holder-registrar contract and be a basis for cancellation of the Registered Name registration.

So, it's not illegal but in theory at least it could cause you problems. But it would appear that as long as you do maintain a contact point from which you could respond to the 15-day notification even in the worst case scenario you would be able to supply the information if it was needed.

By the way, there's a recent advisory on the topic at the ICANN site: [icann.org...]

JayC

4:00 am on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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a PO Box and an e-mail address that doesn't include any reference to my name.

In fact, it's very common and has been for many years to use "hostmaster@example.com" for the email address, and "Hostmaster" as the contact name. Many companies use a different title, but the point is that there's really no reason you have to use any actual person's name: "Administrator," "President," "Guy in Charge of Domain Names;" any of those would work.

One last question. How hard is to to change info once a domain has been registered?

Depends on your registrar. In most cases it's very easy, and takes effect almost immediately.

richlowe

4:34 am on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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You are required by law to provide accurate contact information with the domain registration. This requirement is include in the terms and conditions of domain registrars. For example, the following is from the godaddy TOS: "It is your responsibility to keep this information in a current and accurate status. Failure by you, for whatever reason, to provide Go Daddy with accurate and reliable information on an initial and continual basis, shall be considered to be a material breach of this agreement."

Additional information from their FAQ: "As well ICANN, the governing body of domain names requires you enter valid information into the contact information for your domain name. If you enter false information your domain name may be canceled."

One article is [domainguru.com...]

Hope that's helpful.

Richard Lowe

JayC

4:40 am on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'd only quibble, Rich, that "a material breach" of a contractual agreement and "required by law" aren't the same thing. You have a contractual obligation to provide that information; not a legal obligation.

The recourse if you don't provide it is also a contractual one: the registrar can cancel your registration and release your domain name. The recourse is not a legal one; you won't go to jail, be fined, or have to appear in court.

richlowe

5:27 am on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Agreed. I used the wrong term. Richard Lowe

Lisa

6:07 am on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I use "no.valid.email@mydomainname.com" and route it to dev null, If the world's largest registrar can do it so can I. The good thing about ICANN is. They have no teeth. They have never enforced any of their own rules. If I could be sure no spam spider would get my email address then I might put a real email address on the record. But if a real person wants to contact me they can use the email address on my website. Being a reseller allows me to control records without being directly on the record.

toadhall

7:59 am on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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An interesting summary of the activity involved in getting back a lost domain name and the use of the "false or misleading information" argument.
It's a PDF but Google provides a link to an html version.
Google search with this phrase:
CYBERSQUATTING: THE OECD'S EXPERIENCE
It's at the top of the page returned.

(they got the name back)

Crazy_Fool

8:10 am on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>I don't mind registering with real info if once
>>its registered and my business is set up I can
>>chance it all back to anonymous company info.

is that a wise move? would you trust a company that hides it's contact details?
you may have a legal obligation to display genuine business contact details on your site - i know this applies to uk and europe but not sure about elsewhere in the world - and if so, why hide contact details on your domain if you have to give them on your site?

Allen

2:40 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'd only quibble, Rich, that "a material breach" of a contractual agreement and "required by law" aren't the same thing. You have a contractual obligation to provide that information; not a legal obligation.

AFAIK, in most countries a contractual obligation is a legal obligation (unless it goes against a law, of course).

Allen

richlowe

5:17 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I would also think that if you used fake information it might make it difficult to handle if, somehow, you lost the domains (due to hacking, problem bug or other strangenesses), lost the passwords and so on. In other words, if you had the contacts as joe smith and you are not joe smith, then perhaps the registrar would not believe you are actually the person who owns the domains.

Richard LOwe

Scrubb

1:50 am on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)



I'm not trying to be evasive or secretive but I don't want to put my home number and address for all the world to see. Is that so wrong? 8-)

--Scrubb

Crazy_Fool

12:56 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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nothing wrong at all with evasiveness and secrecy, but i'd be wary of purchasing anything from you. how would we know that your company is genuine and not some russian scam site?

far better, IMO, to be open and honest ...

you could always use a business mailing address so that you get any mail sent to the company without risking someone knocking at your door, and you could use a phone to voicemail service as the phone number. looks less dodgy.

as it happens, i've not had anyone knocking on my door as a result of giving my postal address on my sites and over 30 of my domains or for being listed as the technical contact for over 500 others, and that's in 3 years or so of business. i see little or no risk in leaving your real address in there unless you're doing something illegal.

rubik

1:21 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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It is my belief that for the exception of competitors, potential buyers, and really bored webmasters, that nobody ever looks at the WhoIs information for a web site. Even if they intend on forking over personal information, or a credit card number.

Trust is established with professionalism in design, content and strategic relationships (ie. BBBonline, Verisign, Bizrate) not from a name in a WhoIs lookup.

If a corporation is registered in Las Vegas, Nevada; the corporation information is confidential. Nobody can see who owns it or any other information about the company. All you have to do is rent or lease a business suite from a managed "shared" office space, or get a Las Vegas PO Box and have that box forwarded to your real physical address.

toadhall

1:46 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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> Nobody can see who owns it or any other information about the company.

Which would make me wary of doing business with any corporation registered in Las Vegas, Nevada.

johnd

2:49 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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as it happens, i've not had anyone knocking on my door as a result of giving my postal address on my sites and over 30 of my domains or for being listed as the technical contact for over 500 others, and that's in 3 years or so of business. i see little or no risk in leaving your real address in there unless you're doing something illegal.

how about a domain tool kit? lol

[web.archive.org...]

richlowe

3:59 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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About the domain toolkit - what a waste of money! Domain lists on CD?

Richard Lowe

johnd

4:23 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I hope you understand I posted this link to show what whois information can be used for..

EliteWeb

5:01 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Here is what you should use for your firstname/lastname and that is "Host Master" ;)