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Trade Names on Domain and Sub-Domains-Infringement

Is registered trade names on domain names and sub-domain names are wrong

         

JohnJK

3:31 pm on Jul 14, 2009 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Recently I faced a problem with one of my domain name. The domain name is like www.Someword-Tradename-Someword.com. During last five years of my web presence I saw many websites with trade names falls inside the domain names. The domain name and the website of mine is 2 years old and I spent lot of money and time on it. Now, suddenly I got a legal notice from an attorney and the notice said, he is on behalf of that trade name holder and I have to dis-continue all my activities on that website and hand over that domain to them. Also, he needs an undertaking from me on which I should promise not to use that Trade Name on any of my other domain name/website pages/documents, etc.,

My question is if I have a domain name like http://example.com and if I go for sub-domain [tradename.example.com,...] I have to face the same trouble. I am totally confused as I am selling Computer hard wares and Laptops on different websites which contains Trade names as Sub-domains.

Please help.

[edited by: buckworks at 4:36 pm (utc) on July 14, 2009]
[edit reason] Please use "example.com" - it will never be owned [/edit]

HuskyPup

7:27 pm on Jul 14, 2009 (gmt 0)



The domain name is like www.Someword-Tradename-Someword.com.

I've seen this quite a lot therefore can understand your confusion and I have assumed, whether rightly or wrongly, that the seller's site maybe has a tacit and legally-binding business agreement with the trademark holding company that if they should give up selling their specific brand OR fail to achieve a sufficent sales target then they would give up the right to using example keyword etc.

Please help.

We are not lawyers, you need to speak to someone in your jurisdiction/country who knows the pertaining laws however I reckon you already have a good part-answer since you have been on the receiving end of it.

It would be interesting to know the outcome of this for your region.

JohnJK

11:07 am on Jul 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

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As a seller I don't have any "tacit and legally-binding business agreement with the trademark holding company". Just I am a seller of computer products from different manufacturers. When I received the before the "violation of intellectual property rights" letter from the attorney for my previous website "www.Someword-Tradename-Someword.com", they mentioned this url for reference: "www.icann.org/udrp/udrpdec.htm". Actually I did not get any point from that url.
As a business man, I don't have enough time to study what is ICANN regulation to have a domain name like that. Moreover I don't like to spend my time on legal activities. So, I handed over that domain name to that particular Trademark holding company( When I handed over the domain name, it was PR4).
My doubt is, if I have a sub-domain name like [Trademark.example.com,...] what is the situation. Is ICANN is still have control on Sub-Domain or else sub-domains will be treated like an URL.

I believe some one will give a right suggestion and reference here.

HuskyPup

12:49 pm on Jul 15, 2009 (gmt 0)



sub-domains will be treated like an URL

A subdomain is a domain that is part of a larger domain and can stand on its own or as part of a larger domain, the only domain that isn't also a subdomain is the root domain.

Just I am a seller of computer products from different manufacturers.

Do you buy direct from the manufacturer or through their selling agents or from independents?

I'm guessing you do not buy direct from the manufacturer since I would have thought that if they were quite happy to supply you then they would also be happy for you to use their trademark for sales purposes.

When "resellers" buy products from "others/independents" the manufacturer/trademark holder can understandably get very wary of what is actually being offered and that's when they start pursuing others for possible fraudulent mis-use or infringements of their trademark(s).

Firstly I would suggest that you need to talk to the trademark holder(s) and find out from themselves directly what they consider acceptable usage of their marks. I assume that it is only one trademark holder you are referring to?

Also, he needs an undertaking from me on which I should promise not to use that Trade Name on any of my other domain name/website pages/documents, etc.,

If this is the case it reads to me that they don't want you touching their "stuff" whatsoever e.g. you can't offer an Intel chip without correctly describing it as an Intel chip and not an AMD etc.

JohnJK

3:43 pm on Jul 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Thanks HuskyPup
Actually we are directly buying from authorized distributors who are appointed by the Trade Mark Holder. What I feel is, we were at the top 1 search result on Google search for several key phrase combination. The Trademark holder also selling his product on his website which is hardly come on top results. My understanding is, they don't like me selling country wide for better price than their website. Whatever it may be, we will capture the same top result for the search terms very soon for our other domain name which don't have any trade marks on it and it is much easier for us if we have a sub-domain like [trademark.example.com....] Still I am confused of using it or not. I referred the following URL: [icann.org...]
I did not see any word of sub-domain in this policy. To avoid any kind of UDRP policy action from the Trade Mark holder in future after some policy change, I have to go for http://www.example.com/trademark/. I don't like to take any risk of losing all my hard work and money on a particular sub-domain name again.

HuskyPup

5:00 pm on Jul 15, 2009 (gmt 0)



I have to go for http://www.example.com/trademark/

But surely this contravenes this:

Also, he needs an undertaking from me on which I should promise not to use that Trade Name on any of my other domain name/website pages/documents, etc.,

How can you sell e.g. Intel, without specifically stating Intel?

From what you write you outrank both the TM holder and distributors? LOL...methinks a bit of jealousy is coming in here and they want a few more sales and margin for themselves immediately by taking your site name and maybe hoping for continued top rankings.

Time for a visit to a lawyer and squeeze as much out of the TM holder as you can if this is their game. Regardless you still need to see a lawyer to get the TM holder to clarify legally what they consider as acceptable, if anything at all.

JohnJK

5:40 pm on Jul 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



After my last post, I consulted a lawyer regarding the undertaking I should produce to the TM holder. As per his advice, we made some changes on the undertaking, particularly any words saying about my other websites or documents. If they try to anything legal, we are ready to act. After all, The particular domain name is already with them. So, I believe they can not do any legal action against us.
I was so genuine to them for the last 5 years. I bought goods from their national distributor(unlike people who are doing parallel imports). I am looking for ways to completely avoid them from my business. Now, we are working on a shopping website. Very soon, we will outrank them again for many top queries. But, this time we will sell only the products from their competitors. Also, we are working on several supporting websites which will drive traffic to our main website. After a year I am going to invest on Local and TV commercials in my State. I am really angry with those guys.