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What would your bid on this Domain

domain in the beginning of being deleted

     
2:07 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member bwnbwn is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 5+ Year Member



1-The domain in question has a hypen in it. Tough spelling the domain so it isnt a random type search domain name
2-In Google and DMOZ directory
3-PR of 5
4-yahoo show 440 links
5- site is down now

Question if this does go to a aution what would your bid on this domain be. Not planning on using it for a website.

3:04 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Would really depend on the industry it was in.

Personally with that kind of history and backlinks I'd be looking at getting in touch with the previous owners and seeing if I could get the website and also the domain via the grace period the registrars put on the domain. Rather than just risking it going through the auction process.

3:12 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I looked for the owner the register has taken it over during this period and list a pending renewal or deletion so I can't contact the owner.

Looks like I am stuck with the auction so anybody have a suggested price they would pay for this.

I have a feeling this is a old domain name archive is broke right now so can't check.

Sector is Health

3:25 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Archive.org sometimes contains enough info to track someone down.
3:42 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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webwork I have tried to get it through archive.org but it just won't work for this domain for some reason. I can do mine and others but trying to do this domain brings up a 404 page.

I can do a bunch of different domains but when trying this one it 404's on me. Strange

3:42 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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also, there are a few services that offer a whois history for domains. That would likely give you most of what you need.
3:54 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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IF it's a really "valuable pursuit" you might try looking for hints in the backlinks, seeing what pages were linked to - using what anchor text - and see if that leads anywhere.

There may be a few directories that employ screenshots that might have an image of a footer with contact info or the like.

You have to take on the mentality of a starving animal if you really want to be good that the game you are playing. The possibilities are endless. :)

And, yes, there's "those guys" - mentioned by Philosopher - who might be a good solution in your case, bwnbwn. Heck, because that's the case I'll let this one "about them" slide 'cus . . I dunno . . maybe they're behaving better lately? :p (No reference to you, Philospher.)

[edited by: Webwork at 4:41 pm (utc) on Sep. 8, 2008]

4:33 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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none taken. That's why I didn't mention any names. :)
4:42 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Philosophers are soooo smart. :p
5:07 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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I am well aware of the issues that is assoicated with the above. One reason why I haven't dug to deep for the owners name. I really don't want to contact them as I have found it near impossible to buy from the owner. They think it worth way way more than in the real world, so I really perfer it go to auction as I feel I will get it cheaper that way than approaching the owner.

Past months bought some really good domains through the auction and very few from owners due to the domain maket has changed and the domainers know this but the small owners still think it is an open market.

That said what would your guys with a little more experience in this be willing to pay for this domain at auction.

PS already investigated the backlinks the domain has some good org etc links pointing to it.

5:45 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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What you will run up against are the players that (reportedly) have some very good tools for evaluating traffic from those links: volume, PPC value, etc.

IF you are bidding against them BUT you can profit a bit better from the traffic than they can as an enduser 'consumer/converter' of traffic vs. just gleaning value from PPC clicks then I give you the edge at auction. You may choose to bid higher because you're not just going after the value of the PPC clickstream.

I think the real (and unrealized) value in expired traffic domains is the value that an enduser/consumer/converter of that traffic could bring to the equation. For that I have no formula except to consider the likelihood of the traffic converting and the value of a converted sales lead to the beneficiary of that traffic.

Hope that makes sense.

5:54 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Having a domain in this indusrty will help as you said so I will just go with my gut feeling on this domain and see what happens.
5:59 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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If you can get the domain without the created date being reset and can get content back on it before losing PR and or backlinks the domain is easily worth $100+/month simply selling text links. Now you've got to discount that based on risk of losing the PR on the change in ownership and how many months you think you can maintain the PR. If you can add some PPC or CPA offers onto the content to convert any traffic you might get that is gravy.

Depending on the niche and the quality of the backlink profile I could see myself chasing it into low 4 figures - though ideally would like to grab for mid 3 figures.

6:15 pm on Sep 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

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Thanks guys for the input will post back latter this month on the results of the sale if there is one
 

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