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register a domain with host

what are downsides to using same company for both?

         

nancyb

8:57 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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My domain is about to expire and I am also planning to move to a different hosting service.

I've always used a registrar other than where the site is hosted before. But, it looks like getting spf records to work is handled more easily if the site is registered with the host, especially since my current registrar doesn't provide spf.

Are there downsides to registering the domain with the same company that provides hosting?

davezan

10:52 pm on Dec 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you mean having your domain name managed by a reseller for an actual registrar,
here are some problems:

1. When getting a domain name thru a reseller, the reseller has the first priority to
help you renew and/or manage the domain name. If you won't use them anymore,
you might pay a heavy price for moving away from them.

2. As a followup to no. 1, you have to renew and/or ask them first to help you
gain access to your domain name account if you don't recall your log-in info. Worse,
they might give you the run-around and keep referring you to its partner registrar.

3. The partner registrar might not have a mechanism on how to transfer the domains
from their reseller accounts to their own to allow you to manage it directly with your
registrar, especially if the reseller goes down under or is uncooperative.

Other than that, it's true most registrars currently don't provide SPF records except
one (sorry, I can't say it here or the mods will edit it). But having your registration
and hosting at the same place might bind you to an inflexible arrangement.

This is because the registrar may charge you an astronomical fee to switch, and
force you to go through a time-consuming process to re-host, as well.

tedster

12:35 am on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Domain Registrars and DNS providers need to support adding TXT Records in DNS for you to add an SPF record. A growing number of providers are learning that they need to implement this to keep their customers.

See [spf.pobox.com...] for more information and for links to a list of 29 providers that offered TXT support as of June 2004. With the recent addition of SPF checking at AOL and Hotmail, I assume this list will be growing quite rapidly.

If you find that your registrar/provider is not offering what you need, LET THEM KNOW. Market pressure can drive change, and this is one area where many providers need to feel some pressure, IMO.

nancyb

12:59 am on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This is because the registrar may charge you an astronomical fee to switch, and
force you to go through a time-consuming process to re-host, as well.

I thought the new Icann rules that just became effective 11/12/04 prevented this kind of thing. Not so?

nancyb

1:03 am on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you find that your registrar/provider is not offering what you need, LET THEM KNOW. Market pressure can drive change, and this is one area where many providers need to feel some pressure, IMO.

just one other reason I'm moving (both registrar and host). I pushed and prodded months ago and it appears they have no intention of adding it anytime soon. where I'm currently hosted they don't provide spf unless they are the registrar.

magickingdl

4:33 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What is spf?

tedster

6:04 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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SPF stands for Sender Policy Framework. It helps in fighting the return-path address forgery that is so common in email spam.

See [spf.pobox.com...] for more information.

nancyb

6:06 pm on Dec 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Sender Policy Framework - an anti-forgery solution
for emails.

check out the link Tedster posted

davezan

2:11 pm on Dec 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I thought the new Icann rules that just became effective 11/12/04 prevented this kind of thing. Not so?

Just the registration transfer part, not the changing of hosting, or if the domain's
with a reseller.