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domain recently expired, can I still renew it?

without going through the original host

         

fom2001uk

8:44 pm on Mar 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I've just learned that one of my domains has expired.

All I want to do is pay for the renewal of the domain. Can I do this through any third party or do I have to go through the original hosting company? (they haven't responded at all)

Thing is, it's my main email account and I'm losing emails every day this gets delayed.

Chicken Juggler

8:47 pm on Mar 1, 2004 (gmt 0)



You have to go through the original registrar. You can't even change registrars if your site will expire in 60 days.

adfree

11:39 pm on Mar 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you are beyond the waiting period after expiration you might have to wait a couple of weeks to be able to re-obtain it. Happened to me just recently, hurry or even your registrar will have trouble getting it back quick.

john_k

3:44 am on Mar 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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By the wording of your post, I am assuming that you originally bought the domain through the hosting company. You shouldn't need to go through your original host unless:

They are also the registrar
OR
They registered themselves as the domain owner
OR
They didn't list you as one of the contacts for the domain.

However, as was pointed out, you WILL need to go through the original registrar.

When a domain expires, there is a redemption period of at least 30-days (varies by registrar, but I believe ICANN says 30 days is the minimum). During this time you should be able to renew through the registrar. You will not be able to do it through another registrar (by means of a transfer) though.

Dan_Norder

5:14 am on Mar 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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"You can't even change registrars if your site will expire in 60 days."

Where did you get that crazy idea? I've changed registrars with less than 5 days remaining sometimes, and every single name I've ever transferred I've done so with less than 60 days remaining.

What you can't do is change registrars if it's been registered less than 60 (or is it 90, I forget, because as I said I never do it) days. So it's 60 days from first registration, not 60 days from expiration.

John_K seemed to answer the original question fine so I won't add to it.

fom2001uk

4:57 pm on Mar 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Now I'm even more confused :-)

Here are the details :

Domain Name:
mysite.co.uk

Registrant:
My Company Name

*** This Registration has been SUSPENDED ***

Registrant's Agent:
Fasthosts Internet Limited [Tag = FASTHOSTS]
URL: [fasthosts.co.uk...]

Relevant Dates:
Registered on: 26-Jan-2000
Renewal Date: 26-Jan-2004
Last updated: 25-Aug-2002

Registration Status:
Renewal required.

So, that's about 6 weeks since the expiry date.

What are my options now?

Chicken Juggler

5:09 pm on Mar 2, 2004 (gmt 0)



I guess it depends on your registrar. If you have a domain at networksolutions and you want to switch to enom and the domain is set to expire in 30 days then you can not transfer it out of networksolutions. I have had them tell me this because they would not let me do it.

fom2001uk

5:16 pm on Mar 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The domain name was registered thru Nominet, I think. I have the original certificate and I'm sure Nominet are listed on it.

robho

6:11 pm on Mar 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Most of the advice you've been given so far relates to .com domains, because you didn't initially mention it was a .co.uk, which is handled in a totally different (and mostly archaic) way.

As it is essential you don't waste any time over this, I would suggest phoning Nominet immediately (details somewhere at nominet.org.uk). Ask their advice, they are very helpful (but only on the phone during business hours, they don't use email much).

What you want to do is to get the "isptag" moved to somewhere where you can renew the domain, but ask them the best way to go about this, in the right sequence. They are the people to ask.

I've had similar problems with several UK registration companies over the years, until I moved the domains to under my own control.

fom2001uk

7:26 am on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I went to the Nominet website originally, but was put off by their £80 fees!

So, I can just phone them and they'll advise where I can renew it (doesn't have to be through them)?

robho

7:49 am on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Yes, you should contact Nominet if you are getting no response from your registrar. They get this a lot.

Nominet are effectively the wholesalers of .co.uk domains, so they try to discourage retail orders.

I see on the nominet site they now suspend a site for 60 days then delete it, so you'll need to get a move on.

They seem to have a new policy since last november, so your only options may be to get fasthosts to take some notice of your attempts to reorder (again, phone calls seem to be the only way to get attention at British companies) or pay up the 80 pound direct fee.

Doesn't look like the option of getting the tag moved to another registrar like 1and1.co.uk or godaddy.com is available any more, but you could try asking Norminet for all your possible options.

ritch_b

9:38 am on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Just to reinforce some of the later posts here, you will need to contact Nominet directly due to your domain being marked as suspended. Simply renewing the domain isn't possible at this stage. Contact them asap, as a suspended domain is likely to be withdrawn by Nominet and made available for sale again in the near future.

The £80 renewal fee through Nominet is only applicable in cases where you wish to renew directly with Nominet, rather through one of their tag holders. It's there to discourage people from renewing with Nominet directly, as this involves a great deal of extra administration at their end.

As long as you - or your company - are listed on the WHOIS record as the Registrant, Nominet should be able to sort the domain out for you. You will need to arrange for a new host to become the tag holder for the domain - Nominet should explain the process though - they're a pretty good bunch!

R.

fom2001uk

1:33 pm on Mar 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks guys. Will get on to Nominet.

fom2001uk

8:06 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Nominet were very helpful, and advised me to get FastHosts to renew the domain for me.

Unfortunately, I wasn't able to provide FastHosts with an account number, or the email address I used when I bought the domain. It was 5 years ago!

Basically, I can't prove I own the domain. I've searched everywhere for the cerificate (which I could fax them), but it was only a flimsy piece of paper, and I'm moved house since then.

Anyone had a similar experience?

Looks like I'm losing my domain :-(

robho

5:02 am on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I wasn't able to provide FastHosts with an account number, or the email address

You mean that Fasthosts refuse to accept your money simply because you can't give them their internal account number from five years ago?

If you don't own the domain, why would you pay them? It doesn't give you any more control than if they'd simply accepted the money in the first place, it's still on the same nameservers with the same owner details (your name).

Get back on to Nominet and explain that Fasthosts is refusing to help you (won't accept any payment). They should be able to give you another option. See the "changing your registration agent FAQ" on their site.

Don't give up yet. But check the status daily to grab it back (choose a new reg agent now) if it gets deleted.

ritch_b

9:38 am on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If the Registrant field on the WHOIS record shows your registered company name, or your personal name, this is proof enough that the domain is registered to you.

If it shows your registered company name, you should be able to have it renewed via Nominet by providing certain documentation that's printed onto your company headed paper.

If is shows your personal name, the same applies - you just have to use your personal name and address instead of company paper!

If Fasthosts aren't forthcoming, contact Nominet again and explain the situation. It may be possible to have the domain suspension lifted and the IPS tag moved to another provider, who can then renew on your behalf.

If the domain has value to you, don't give up on it!

R.

fom2001uk

12:10 pm on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The WHOIS record has just changed. The registrant details are now gone from my domain. Now I'm getting worried it might be too late.

I've sent off a detailed request to Fasthosts, and offered to fax them a copy of old bank statements (headed with my trading name) as proof of ownership.

If that doesn't work, I don't know what will.

Will keep you posted.

fom2001uk

9:25 am on Mar 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Fasthosts not playing ball. Think I'm losing the domain. Is there any way I can reserve the domain (as a potential new buyer) since only I know it's going to be up for grabs again?

DoppyNL

9:42 am on Mar 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I would contact Nominet again and explain te situation to them again.

They might keep a record of the changes made and so be able to see what the previous contents were and may come to the conclusion that it is your domain that way.

It can't hurt to give them a call.

fom2001uk

3:48 pm on Mar 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Fasthosts finally responded by email, asking me to call them. Duh! I already did that, but anyway, I called again, and this time, they're saying my credit card's expired, and all I need to do is give them new credit card details and they'll renew the domain!

I'm not going to even bother questioning this and all the hassle I've had so far. I just want my domain back, so I've given them new card details. They say it'll be back up in a couple of days.

Sounds too easy after all that, but hey, I'm not complaining :-)