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Dutch

11:51 pm on Jan 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hi

I was wondering if anyone could help me out with a question regarding a specific type of domain speculation. It is a matter that I haven't found adressed anywhere else yet. Here it is:

Suppose that private person A registers the internet domain 'freanet.com' after determining that the name does not infringe upon any active trademark, but without having any intention of developing a business around it. He/she immediately offers the domain for sale - let's say for $10,000.

After 6 months person B starts a (previously non-existent) business and decides to register the name 'freanet' as their trademark. Would that put B in a position to claim the domain 'freanet.com' even though it was registered by A before B registered 'freanet' as a trademark?

Any insights about this situation are much appreciated.

Dutch.

davemarks

12:08 am on Jan 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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If you haven't previoulsy used the domain or created a business around it, i think you'd be made to surrender it

PatrickDeese

12:20 am on Jan 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The trick would be to offer it for sale for slightly less than the cost of filing a complaint with WIPO (currently about US $1000) :P

Webwork

1:32 am on Jan 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Generally, unless you register a trademark you won't build trademark rights by putting your bright idea under a rock - so to speak.

A domain name is nothing unto itself, other than a string of characters. Without formal trademark registration or notorious use your rights can be lost to another who acts more like someone seeking to develop "a mark".

Not quite my full and formal legal opinion. As any lawyer will tell you there are lots of variables to consider in a "real" (vs. hypothetical) case.

Webwork, Esq. (my other career)

Dutch

7:27 pm on Jan 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks everyone. Your input is much appreciated.

BTW, anyone actually been involved in a situation like this yet (from either side)?

Rossv1

7:36 pm on Jan 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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First of all let me say I'm not a lawyer and this question is probably better answered by one...that being said, there is something called 'prior art' which basically mans that if someone applies for a trademark and you have been using the mark before they applied, then their application will be denied. That is a pretty vague description and I'm sure there are exceptions, maybe you should put up a small web site with basic information related to the domain name...although I've found that Internic tends to lean towards the big companies in domain name disputes...

ogletree

7:49 pm on Jan 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

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What if a company exists like domain.com and the company name is Domain and you purchase doman.com (misspelling) Can they get it from you or make you stop. Lets say it is real obvious like pointing to a affiliate site that is not even related. Like anybody could look at it and say that guy bought a misspelling of a large company and is piggybacking their traffic.

davemarks

8:36 pm on Jan 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Have you read the stuff about MikeRoweSoft.com?

Fair enough Microsoft are a bigger company but you get the idea... i think his new name is MikeRoweForums.com where he explains what went on if you're interested

xbase234

4:26 pm on Jan 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This is certainly a question for an attorney, but if I'm not mistaken, the same name can be trademarked by separate entities over a wide range of classes of goods and services.

It seems logical to me that just because someone holds a trademark in one class, it does not automatically entitle them to a single domain that could potentially cover all classes. The trademarks for "Yale" comes to mind, and all Yale trademark holders cannot own the name "Yale.com" (Yale University, Yale padlocks, etc).

The question is this: Does a domain registrant have the right to assert a future trademark right to start a new business, as long as they do not compete or infringe on current TM holders in a separate class?

It seems to me that the current system allows bullying by current trademark holders, especially when no other similar trademark registrants are around to contest them (reverse domain hijacking). There is no text in the USPTO site that states that grant of a trademark entitles one to a domain. If this were the case, there would be floods of disputes between similar trademark holders.

The only exception to this is when a specific generic is combined with a class of goods, ex. BMG an Music. "BMG" is generic, but when combined with "Music" there is a problem.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

pearl

5:06 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I wish I bought IBK,com, IBL.com, IBM.com ... a few years ago.

:)