Brand new DMOZ category

Will google crawl it?

[gramski]

After waiting a very long time for my site to get into DMOZ I just noticed it has been listed. Its been listed in a category that I'm fairly sure is brand new - I haven't seen it before and the DMOZ page has PR0.

The category is a "shopping" category added to the main category - so its like this

Top: Arts: Category1: Category2: Category3: Category 4: Shopping

So I was hoping to get my site into category 4 but its in a new "shopping" category. There are less than 10 sites listed on the new category. The new category has no backlinks showing.

So I was wondering will google and other search engines crawl the new category. I'm happy thats I've finally been listed in DMOZ but I just wonder if the new categorisation will actually help my sites google position or not.

[mars9820]

just be patient

[viggen]

Put a link on your site to the ODP Category.

I did the same and the category in question was within a week spidered and indexed.

cheers
viggen

[RFranzen]

Viggen,

Only a few of us at the ODP are spiders. I personally am a rock. To the best of my knowledge, not even the spiders hunt for backlinks to the ODP. We don't even know about backlink until after we begin reviewing your site. Once we see one, we think to ourselves, "Neat!" Then we evaluate the site according to ODP guidelines, which make no mention of backlinks.

-- Rich

BTW, the only automated, web-spanning critter at the ODP is Robozilla. It hunts for inaccessible, already-listed URL's. It makes no attempt to spider sites, analyze content, or farm email addresses. It's only purpose is to let editors know what pages it could not access.

[pleeker]

RFranzen, I think viggen is saying that the crawler-based search engines (Google, Yahoo, etc.) will see the link (on gramski's site) to the ODP category and then they'll spider that category. It's not ODP editors looking for backlinks -- it's about using the link to the ODP category to let Google, etc., know that a new category exists.

Hope I understood that correctly, please correct if I'm wrong.

[hutcheson]

A page that deep in the ODP hierarchy may never have backlinks from a site with PR >= 4. And so Google may not show any backlinks: but that doesn't mean Google hasn't already crawled it.

[RFranzen]

Pleeker, I believe you are correct; I misunderstood.

Viggen, I hope you don't interpret my response as flippent or sarcastic. My goal was to be slightly humorous, yet still be responsive to your point. Of course, it would have helped if I had correctly interpreted your post.

-- Rich

[viggen]

Yup pleeker, I meant it exactly that way, and at RFranzen
no offence taken. :)

To put a link to his category of the DMOZ should be a good thing anyway according to Brett, if i remember correctly his stand on outbound links.

cheers
viggen

[helleborine]

Top: Arts: Category1: Category2: Category3: Category 4: Shopping

Isn't that weird, though? "Shopping" a subcat for "Arts?"

Note that I am not pretending to be an expert!

[choster]

It is a little strange-- most online merchant categories are eventually moved to and crosslinked from the Shopping branch. OTOH there are many exceptions to the rules-- even only 1% of ODP categories were permitted to be exceptions, that is still over 5,900 categories or 46,000 sites. [hint: if gramski sticky mails me the category I can investigate]

[podman]

Shopping is a subcat in Society: Religion also - another exception.

[g1smd]

Is it a "real" subcategory located in /Arts, or are you following an @link to a category that is actually located in the /Shopping branch?

[podman]

There are many - and they are not @links e.g. [dmoz.org...]

See [dmoz.org...]

And since we mention that - also [dmoz.org...]

and [dmoz.org...]

Surprised :)

[g1smd]

FAQ entry revised at 2000-04-07 16:52:00 so that has been around for a very long time.

That might be up for re-review after such a long time. I have no idea, I don't edit there.

There are a few sites listed directly in [dmoz.org...] but most of the sub-categories of that are real categories that are actually located in /Shopping. That category is partly an @link category to guide you elsewhere.

[podman]

There are 169 actual shopping categories in Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/

[thumpcyc]

I would think that with the ODP having a PR of 10, it would be almost totally spidered at least once every day. It would take longer for G to reflect it in the SERPS(if the link even carried enough PR to enough to make any difference), and even longer than that to be reflected in backlinks(if the cat has a high enough PR to be reflected in the backlinks).

I personally would not link back to the ODP, not because it is not worthy of a link, but only because a totally free, non-recip link(s) from an authority site, is not easy to get these days. I would pick another on topic authority site, that does not link to my site to link out to.

Thumpcyc