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However, site (B) got re-listed without anyone submitting the URL, an editor
saw both sites again and banned both. It's true!
My attempts to explain the situation to an editor has made me believe that I can find
the cure for cancer before I can find an editor that can realize a mistake was made.
With all this said, does any domain name ever have a chance of getting re-lised
once they place the red tape on your URL?
Pray that one passes this thread, and takes an interest.
How do you know this? Only way if this was true is if the editor directly contacted you about this (which seems to me all kinds of unlikely), or you had access to internal ODP logs (which would mean you'd need to be an editor), or an editor with access to internal ODP logs told you this. If the latter, this shouldn't have happened.
How do you know this?
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I'm assuming our competition might have informed certain editors..not sure how else they would have
noticed.
We lost hope in attempting to try to explain to the editors.Due to some internal decisions, we may
be selling site A, companies that are interested have done their due diligence and have asked why
we were not in dmoz when we are in all other
major directories...
they can purchase the site without the domain, however, the domain is ranked well on certain
keywords, our selling price would drop.. :(
given the fact we did not ever attempt to "trick" dmoz in anything, this issue as come back at bite
us right up the a@#.
We've explained to certain potential buyers that they do not need a dmoz link to do well on the SERPS, however, some are not convinced...it's hard to sell a sweater with a black stain on it....
Your sites earned a ban. Manipulating editors to get what you wanted should have come back to haunt you, and it did. Everything worked out as it should have.
I just answered it as a general enquiry without following the trail.
The new owners wouldn't get a backdoor listing by buying a listed URL from you, though; at least not for long, and then they'd find themselves in the banned category again. You really shouldn't be scr*wing your customers like that, in my humble personal opinion.
selling the whole business
You really shouldn't be scr*wing your customers
Your sites earned a ban.
Hehe, you don't give up, do you?
Conclusion:
We are probably going to have the potential buyer register a new domain and setup up
a 301 re-direct.
AFAIK this would still not succeed at "passing on" an existing ODP listing to a new site occupying the same URL... the new site would still need a re-review from us to be listed. However, since you don't have an ODP listing for your site anyway, it's a moot point.
"passing on" an existing ODP listing
The 301 re-direct would be to pass on the PR & SE ranking.
There's no such thing as a permanent ban
I see. How does one re-submit a banned site?
I'd always recommend addressing the real problem, not the symptoms.
I'd also recommed that editors clearly state what the problem is and explain how one can rectify it.
If it was stated to remove site (B) from the directory to not cause problems for site (a), I'm not
to sure how much better the problem could be addressed!
We cannot control who submits to Dmoz; therefore if a site we are affiliated with gets submitted which
infringes on the TOS of Dmoz, are we reponsible!? If so, Dmoz should make me an editor so that I can
ensure none of the sites we are affiliated with get listed!
Let's see, your previous arguments about site A and site B were that they weren't the same company and that you had merely entered into a strategic partnership with site B. If that's the case, then you have no business trying to torpedo the listing for site B, do you. If, on the other hand, you actually have the right to try to remove the listing for site B (it being your own domain), well, then that means that the two sites are indeed affiliated (as editors have been saying all along) and it bears repeating that we reserve the right to list whichever of a number of related sites that we deem most appropriate to list.
We're hardly going to change the listing we think is most appropriate in order to help you get more money when you sell the other site. I don't understand why you think we would.
then you have no business trying to torpedo the listing for site B
site B is a web design firm that gets their business 100% from the local market. A family member happens
to be a co-owner and had contacted dmoz on our behalf to have their site de-listed.
We don't develop websites internally, however, when we do get a request, we sub-contract it to company B.
It's in the best interest of company B to have our site listed high in the serps as we sub-contract all
the web work to them.
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In any case, we've attempted to explain the situation in full to dear editors of dmoz; however, they believe
we have some sort of special task force set out to trick and decieve dmoz.
We're hardly going to change the listing we think is most appropriate in order to help you get
more money when you sell the other site. I don't understand why you think we would.
With all the efforts we put trying to explain, we definitely do not think dmoz will list our site for
us to get more money! That be ludacris!
On this side of the world, the situation seems evident that a mistake was made. In planet dmoz, we
have a lingering reputation and can't be trusted.
All I would like to know is if a banned site can ever get re-listed, if so, how?
it bears repeating that we reserve the right to list whichever of a number of related sites that
we deem most appropriate to list.
The number of sites in our case is 0. How is it in our case, no sites got listed?
We don't do that lightly, or on the first offense: since it entails the possibility of giving our users less comprehensive results. It is the last step in the spam-prevention process, and it's there to protect editors from harassment.
We have no way of punishing spammers who "won't give up." But we can make sure that their persistance is not rewarded, and that editors aren't inconvenienced by it.
submitting related sites can cause the removal of all related sites
Our industry is very competitive. Site B was never submitted to Dmoz by company B.
When we started offering their services, our problems began. I wouldn't be suprised a competitor informed
an editor of the duplicate content and services of both sites. How else would an editor realize that
we had duplicate content if site A was listed in Category 123 and site B was listed in Category 789?
I can respect the "comprehensive results" aspect, however, editors should be aware that competitors can
submit affiliated sites and cause problems for legitimate sites; which we believe is the case here.
ROTFL, do you really think we're going to make this all easier for you by telling you how we find that out?
This is getting way out of the acceptable range of topics on this forum, I think, but it may at least be illustrative for the poster in the other currently running ODP thread who was innocently asking in the other thread why we couldn't simply defeat spammers by blocking multiple submissions of the identical URL. (-:
flicker, your claims about me being a spammer are as solid as jello.
You so concerned about the TOS, but you go ahead and make claims
about members that are unwarranted.
If I was a spammer, I would not spend time trying to correct the situation,
I would have another 5 sites by now!
I do find it interesting that you're so indignant we went and discovered the duplicate content *despite* the fact that it was submitted to two different categories where it should have been indetectable. I can't think of a single legitimate reason why you would be asking us how we noticed that. And there's no way in heck we're going to tell you.
