DMOZ editor visited. How long till listing in dir?

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[phaze]

I noticed from a referer that a DMOZ editor has visited my site. I checked the dmoz copy of the directory and no listing. Any idea how long it will take? I'd like to know how long till I jump up and down in frustration and relist, or jump for joy.

phaze.

[skibum]

If they decided to list it, it should show up within a day or two I think. It could also have been transfered to a different category, deleted, or left in unreviewed if the editor didn't make a decision to list or to not.

[pathak]

As skibum said it will get listed in a day or two if selected, but if it need some change in category or the editor is in confusion then it will take time.

But one thing, it will first get listing in www.dmoz.org then later after some week it will come to google directory. Therefore please check at dmoz.org.

[bull]

I think the maximum waiting time is 4 days as there are 4 public servers to be synchronized

[martinibuster]

But one thing, it will first get listing in www.dmoz.org then later after some week it will come to google directory.

Google updates the directory a couple times a year. Google's directory update takes a very long time. A very long time.

Yes, they spider the links, but Google's mirror directory takes a long time to update.

[windharp]

I think the maximum waiting time is 4 days as there are 4 public servers to be synchronized

Well, actually that has not much to do with each other. The caching system on the public servers is totally independent from each other. It makes sure that the data is synchronized with the Editor-Server if it is more than 4-7 days old (due to a difficult approach).

Sothe correct answer to this part of the question would be: 0-7 days after a link is added, it will appear in the public servers. Data users like Google update at their own will, the ODP has no influence to it.

To the other part: If an editor visits the site, this can have many reasons. One of those is that is is listed. Others include spam-checking, moving unreviewed, rejecting, ...

[lukasz]

Well, I waited half a year for editor to visit, and that was half a year ago, and I am still not listed.

[victor]

Lucazs two questions.

First, ask yourself, "how many sites have you added to the ODP?"

If everyone who complains or comments about the speed of addition to the OPD was an editor, and added just 100 sites a year on behalf of others, the wait for an addable-site would be days not months.

Second, double check that your site has not been reviewed and either rejected or pass to a category that you haven't checked. There is an easy way to do both of these, but WMW TOS don't permit me to tell you how.

[wolfgang]

DMOZ is filled with uncommitted editors who apparently like being a part of the DMOZ without actually reviewing sites and doing what they signed up to do. I've heard that AOL was pulling support for the ODP but I haven't seen anything lately - except no action. Anyone else?

[g1smd]

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

yada, yada, yada,

same old, same old.

Over 4000 sites a day are added. Editors have no minimum workload. Having an editor named in a category does not stop other editors editing there. A category with no named editor still has several hundred editors who can edit there.

This has been covered hundreds of times in the last few years. Read the forum archives and get up to speed.

[wolfgang]

I don't really care if it's been covered hundreds of times - that means nothing. And all your message really conveys is that there are some committed editors, of which you might be one. But if you trying to tell me that they're all active and engaged in their volunteer duty, I'm not buying it.

[Yidaki]

wolfgang, welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com].

You might want to read this forum's charter [webmasterworld.com]. After reading it you'll find out that flaming dmoz as well as flaming other members is a no-no and just makes your life at WebmasterWorld harder than you might want.

From the this forum's charter [webmasterworld.com]:

Although you might think that it is not necessary for us to mention this in this charter, it does bear repeating: Please be civil to one another. Posts which serve no informational purpose and only insult or belittle other members will be seen as flaming and/or trolling and will be removed.

... should be self explaining enough to understand the general WebmasterWorld wisdom.

[wolfgang]

I read the charter and it seems to me that "yeah yeah, yada yada..." was the beginning of the disrespect. By one of your fellow senior members no less. There was only disagreement in my message; not disrespect. If constructive discussion means censoring observations of ODP that reflect on it poorly, then you can be sure I won't visit this forum again.

[Eljaybe]

I submitted a change to my site listing on DMOZ January 8, 2004 and the change was made by January 26, 2004. However, the Google Directory still shows our old listing. I was expecting a change in Google around the same time because they look like the same directory. Nothing yet. How long does it normally take for Google to pick up the change from DMOZ?

[GeorgeGG]

Don't know how long to get listed but had visit from an
editor on 'Wed, Jan 21, 2004 - 08:05:39 AM CST' and
dropped at 'Last update: 9:01 PT, Wednesday, January 21, 2004'.
Will look around for another dir to put it.

GGG

[victor]

Google's feed from the OPD has gpne very sporadic.

Used to be every couple of months.

Last year, they managed twice, last was November, I think.

This year, not yet, as far as I know.

Best place to ask is Google.

[outland88]

Wolfgang you should understand that g1smd is a DMOZ editor. I've seen few DMOZ editors that show much respect or civility to anyone. A little power goes to their heads. If they were paid employees it would be another thing.

[motsa]

He was just saying what a lot of people are probably thinking. The topic of AOL pulling support or some other drastic fate befalling the ODP crops up regularly here and in other forums and has been since long before I ever became an editor...as has the topic "my site wasn't listed immediately, therefore all editors are slacker do-nothings".

[windharp]

How long does it normally take for Google to pick up the change from DMOZ?

Unpredictable. They used to update monthly in former times, but they don't do that lately. The ODP prepares its dumps aproximately weekly. Google has not updated their copy for quite some time now, so any prediction would be a pure guess.

[TradeMark]

I submitted to DMOZ in Sept 2002. I have never been notified by an editor. I got into a somewhat heated discussion on another board about resubmitting my site. He flamed me on how that wasted 'bandwidth' and it would get me bumped to the 'bottom of the pile'. I took his advise and didn't re-submit. I'm much further along now... hehehe. I even submitted the form volunteering for my category, which has no editor. Nada reply again. As the old saying goes - if the email don't come, you can bet it's DMOZ.

TradeMark

[choster]

If you applied to be an editor and never got a response, you need to check your spam filters to allow e-mail from dmoz.org.

You need to reply to the autoresponder for your application to be entered into the system, and therefore for a human to even know it exists. Otherwise it is binned.

[TradeMark]

Thanks for the advice, but I have no spam filters and the email addy their message would have gone to is not one I use regularly. It gets very little mail. I wouldn't/didn't miss any messages.

Anything else I can try?

TradeMark

[outland88]

Trademark for the most part staff at DMOZ don’t respond to anybody even their own editors. The exception is they do respond to some of their meta editors. For the most part DMOZ has declined to a few paid metas doing edits at break neck speeds and the other metas wondering what they can’t prove. That soon leads to stagnation. The owner doesn’t really care because he recognizes he has to pay a few to keep the others working. As long as some sites are placed it provides a free directory for AOL and Netscape. The caveat here is some of the paid metas recognize bumping new editors is advantageous to their pocket-books. Use the new editors and loose them becomes the agenda.

[ambivalenthysteria]

Paid metas? They, uh, don't exist.

I highly suggest you check your facts before you make a fool of yourself.

[windharp]

For the most part DMOZ has declined to a few paid metas doing edits at break neck speeds

Well, as one of the editors who are doing an awfull lot of edits each day - can I apply for that payment program? Would come handy... :-) :-) :-)

No, you are wrong on this one. There are a few editors (not only metas) doing lots and lots of edits. But unfortunately they are paid as much as all the other editors.

for the most part staff at DMOZ don't respond to anybody even their own editors.

Well... Lets think about numbers for a moment: Mail to the staff account is read by approximately one person (AOL/Netscape employee). Who has a lot of other ODP-things to do beside reading/replying to emails. Lets assume he can spend 2 hours each day processing mails. How many mails could you reply to in two hours? And if a well known mortal Meta-Editor gets 5-10 mails per day, how many do you think staff might get?

As the ODP is a self-run community in pyramidal form (only few at the top, much more below), it is much better to contact "lower levels" than to contact the top for everything. That is one of the reasons we have created a forum run by meta-editors open to everybody to contact us. That is the reason we created a system to report abuse. And that is the reason that a lot of us guys hang around at other forums like this one to read and answer your postings.

[motsa]

Oh darn, now you all know the secret. Yes, metas are paid triple what regular editors make. Yes, I'm sorry, it's true (windharp, check your pay stub -- the little zero should have become a really big zero when you became a meta). Then there is all those piece-work bonuses we get for every editor we turn down or frighten away. Whoo hoo, we're just rolling in the.. uh, mmm, wait a second [3 times zero...add 528 times 0...carry the 0...]...er, well, actually that's not all that much at all, is it.

[outland88]

So you think poor old RD at DMOZ isn't paying anybody or is that what you want to believe. Why don't you bring that up in your DMOZ forums. RD will "cut you loose" so fast it'll make your head spin. You know I'm 100% right not 99%. No cult can survive by disagreement. RD's not going to let anybody block him getting mostly free labor.

Believe what you want to, at least somebody tried to tell you. You attack what you don't want to believe because it keeps you from feeling like a dummy. Life is full of people who made mistakes, its no big deal. Some people just don't want to believe they're being scammed. If I was going to make life a better place I'd donate my time or money to charity or the disabled. Not to providing free labor to AOL and Netscape.

[claus]

I submitted a brand new site around two weeks ago and it's in now. I had expected anything up to six months.... dunno, perhaps i was just lucky, or perhaps the editor didn't have a lot of submissions (it was a small cat). The same day i submitted another site (to another, larger cat) and i've seen no sign of that one yet.

[podman]

Hey this is terrible, i've done about 9,000 edits, and still haven't got my pay check. What am I doing wrong?

[stever]

That link to the charter up at the top of the page looks appealing, especially for those who appear to be short-sighted and missed it...

Although you might think that it is not necessary for us to mention this in this charter, it does bear repeating: Please be civil to one another. Posts which serve no informational purpose and only insult or belittle other members will be seen as flaming and/or trolling and will be removed.