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DMOZ submissions failing on IP / caching?

Tried on two different ISP accounts no joy on either..

         

Mark_A

2:48 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Was fine yesterday. today I get

Sorry, we could not determine your IP address for this submission. This may be because your browser or ISP has cached the previous page. Your submission has been redirected to the misplacd submissions folder. We apologise for the inconvenience.

Please go back in your browser and resubmit the form.

Its not me as ive cleared cache etc and tried on two different ISP accounts.. anyone any ideas..

hutcheson

5:56 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Possibly problems causing symptoms like that:

1) browser cache
2) browser proxy settings
(Note: sometimes using a different browser helps. There's no pattern to this, except that the other browser has different settings. Some people find that Netscape works, and the Spawn of Mordor doesn't; and vice versa.
3) network gateway, proxy server, anonymizer, etc. Someone's playing dice with the IP settings -- all these guys have a shot at them.
4) session timeout: more likely if you're coming from someplace remote, or with problematic connectivity, or both: Germany and the Asian Rim seem to have a surprisingly high number of problems.
5) Broken automatic-submittal scripts (but are there any other kind?)

hutcheson

9:20 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I should add, the "misplaced submissions" folder is not a black hole like, say, Shopping/Jewelry. We try to give those sites a quick look (as in, within a few days) and pass them on to the proper category (to wait for the local editors to review just like any other site). DO NOT RESUBMIT! That submission was accepted (as much as any other one.) It has only been delayed, and that only slightly.

hutcheson

9:21 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Oh, and one more thing. It's not that rare, it happens on about 3-5% of submittals. Not to worry.

Mark_A

6:25 am on Oct 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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hutcheson thanks for your response, I assume you are a dmoz editor then as you are so aware of the issue.

I am afraid I did resubmit possibly as many as 4 times, the last time from a different ISP dial up (but the same browser) as the repeated message appeared to tell me that without my IP address the submission would be misplaced which I took to mean not read.

Hope that does not penalise the site in question.

The issue was not my browser cache as I had cleared that however it seems odd to me because

1] the empty form page certainly could I suppose have been cached by my ISP though it is not a big category and the page seems custom for each, what seems odd to me is that I get the answer back message which means the route through the IPs to my machine is functioning and anyhow its a dynamic IP from my ISP so how would dmoz know if it were a proxy not a dynamic IP?

2] plus it worked fine the day before for a different site which I was also submitting.

3] does it actually matter anyhow? with my sites the ip of a form sender is encoded in the form contents on sending, is that not the case from the dmoz form?

Thanks for your responses so far, I assume I should wait 3 weeks anyhow now and see if the submissions from yesterday do get looked at. There was no editor for that category so it may (I hope will) jump into someone else's queue.

Mark_A

6:26 am on Oct 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Additional point ..
the dmoz message specifically said

"Please go back in your browser and resubmit the form. "

hutcheson

9:30 pm on Oct 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>I assume you are a dmoz editor...

dmoz.org/profiles/hutcheson.html

I've spent most of my editing time over the last few weeks in that category. (Thanks, by the way, for letting me know what the sinkhole looked like from the topside.)

Duplicate submissions alone won't get you deleted -- I just snarl, chainsaw all but one of them (along with all but one of another umpteen dozen sites from people who followed the directions), and pass one along either to the category you were aiming for, or (if that's a very bad match) directly to another category closer to the right place, or to Test/Misplaced (where it will be hand-categorized by (mostly other) volunteers).

Note that this is a new feature -- we used to just lose those submissions, and tell the people to send them in to staff "manually" via e-mail. Most people didn't. The new scheme is more "automatic" except for that initial review, and therefore captures more submissions. That's probably why the instructions are, um, no longer operative. I've notified our programmer, and I suspect they'll change soon.

Mark_A

4:59 am on Oct 8, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hutcheson thanks for your update, I was concerned when I realised I had made multiple submissions. I repeat my apology if I caused you or any other editors extra work.

>>Note that this is a new feature <<

I can only assume some feature of the dial up accounts I was using was preventing me (on that day) from submitting correctly.

It is good submissions are not lost and I hope they change the thank you message. Otherwise I expect more like me will clog up that area making an extra workload.

Anyhow thank you for your feedback.

I noticed for a specific industrial company, ODP has the ideal category while Yahoo is awful, there are no categories in Yahoo that even come close to what these people do. 1:0 to ODP :-)

You edit a lot of categories, do you have any idea how many hours a week an average editor works?

On another issue and "for your information only". I made a particular mistake because the odp search function was down. It has been down (or under heavy load) on a couple of occasions when I checked for listings about companies where new sites are being developed.

On my quick scan of the results page the part that I registered was "no results found for search xyz" not the bit that said "search function down try later" which was not very prominent.

The result was I submitted a site about a company which already had their basic V1 website registered, (the one I am replacing). When I noticed a day or so later I submitted a form to the category asking for the old site reference to be removed as the new submission was considered but I know it is the wrong way round (according to ODP TOS) and as such may create trouble for that submission.

Iguana

8:26 pm on Oct 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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This same error has been happening to me for days now - and I don't use the cache on my ISP. And other internet sites can determine my IP. I'm glad I got a free listing in Yahoo a week ago, otherwise I would be cursing the ODP.

shady

10:22 pm on Oct 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Hi Hutcheson

I have submitted a site to dmoz - unfortunately I didn't make a note of when and to which category (there are 2 - 3 which are applicable).

Is there any way I can find out whether it is still being considered or has been rejected? I know I shouldn't resubmit within 6 weeks but it may be over that now!

Any help gratefully received!

hutcheson

7:35 pm on Oct 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

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To ask an editor about the site, you'll need to know the URL and the category. It'll help to know the approximate submitted date, and it's courteous to give the editors three or four weeks before beginning to ask about the status.

After waiting 6 weeks, it's not out of line to submit once more (remembering, this time, the URL and category.)

There are, unfortunately, good reasons for THIS forum NOT to allow people to ask about the status of specific sites. But (given the information mentioned above) any editor who is willing can tell you the status: and there are several published approaches to finding a willing editor.