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mmr82

6:48 am on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Can any one explain this to me. Waiting over 3 months to get my site listed in DMOZ!

They should really offer and express service, i have been listed in Yahoo in 48 hours.

So is it normal people wait for DMOZ months to get listed?

Mohamed

tigger

7:01 am on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Can any one explain this to me

it's free, all the editors do it for love rather than money.

I wouldn't say 3 mths isn’t too bad I've had sites listed within the week, others have taken 6mths+ to get in, the best thing is to try contacting the editor and ask if he could look into your submission, but remember these people are doing this for nothing so don't be to heavy handed otherwise your site will go in the bin.

deejay

7:06 am on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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As tigger says, all the editors are volunteers.

Is it possible that the category you have submitted to doesn't have an editor at the moment?

At three months I think you would certainly be justified in sending a friendly reminder to the editor, or if there is no editor to the editor of the category above.

victor

7:14 am on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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As the above replies say. The editors are volunteers. Possible reasons for the delay:

:( You sumbitted to a very busy category;

:( You submitted to a category where there is no editor or the editor is ill;

:( You submitted to a category that the editor considered inappropriate (maybe too general a cat). The editor has passed the submission on to another category. If both cats have overworked editors, it may take another month or two for that editor to take a look);

:( The editor decided your site was not appropriate for the ODP. You get no "rejection" letter.

All good reasons to submit to the ODP as soon as you have enough material up to ake it a website, rather than waiting until it is all finished.

:) Your question is commonly asked here. Some other threads throw additional light on what you can do to get a faster listing:

[webmasterworld.com...]

[webmasterworld.com...]

[webmasterworld.com...]

skibum

2:00 pm on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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All good reasons to submit to the ODP as soon as you have enough material up to ake it a website, rather than waiting until it is all finished.

Just make site the site looks complete to the editor. If there are parts under construction or obviously incomplete they site will probbaly get rejected. ODP will never do a paid or express submit option.

See the Social Contract [dmoz.org]

mmr82

2:18 pm on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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My site is perfect pure, clear and complete see my profile for my site URL

Thanks for the reply any way

bird

3:00 pm on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The editor decided your site was not appropriate for the ODP. You get no "rejection" letter.

To qualify for a listing, your site needs to provide unique content. Just look at all your pages, and if you can't find anything that isn't also offered by a dozen other sites, then you're chances for an ODP listing are pretty slim.

Grumpus

3:00 pm on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I submitted my main page in early March. That's 6 months and counting. Still not on there. Gotta love how humans might do it better, but by the time they do it, it's no longer news.

G.

Mike_Mackin

3:12 pm on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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What bird said

Grumpus:
Your situation is different.
No action has been taken.
And that may be a good thing because for some reason [prolllly your tags] no title or description will show up in the editors window.

ADDED
Use [validator.w3.org...]
I know that you have duplicate ending tags

Quadrille

3:45 pm on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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mmr82 - your site seems to be a collection of links, duplicating the category you submitted to.

If you like that kind of thing, why not apply to edit the category, and do it as part of the Directory.

Also, your site is set up in a way that requires non-Arabic users to download an Arabic characters plug-in; some editors might feel that would undermine the value of your site. (especially having the dialog box appear on every page).

You have pop-up boxes, which does offend a lot of folk - but I think Business editors have learned to live with them.

And finally, I suspect you are affiliated to at least one of your links - some editors might have assumed the whole site is a bunch of affiliate links (I only checked one - and I reckon it is).

If your site is declined, the *useful* question to ask (after "WHY?") is

"What can I Do About It"

martinibuster

4:04 pm on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Can any one explain this to me. Waiting over 3 months to get my site listed in DMOZ!

Your submission was deleted on July 11. You apparently re-submitted and it was deleted again in September.

If you want to know WHY it was deleted, you would have to ask that particular editor.

VERY IMPORTANT: Save yourself some aggravation and read the SITE DESCRIPTION before submitting.

According to the description of the site you submitted to:

This category is not for affiliate sites, get paid to surf links, or MLM's. Those submissions are deleted. All independent representative's sites need to be submitted to the appropriate sub-category in Business/Opportunities/Networking-MLM

Can any one explain this to me. Waiting over 3 months to get my site listed in DMOZ!

Apparently your site resembles a directory, and may not be appropriate for this category.

Can any one explain this to me. Waiting over 3 months to get my site listed in DMOZ!

The category editor can tell you EXACTLY why they deleted it

Can any one explain this to me. Waiting over 3 months to get my site listed in DMOZ!

The editor should have moved your site to an appropriate cat but I suspect that he/she receives DOZENS of bad submissions from people who neglect to read the submission policy, and is probably sick and tired of doing the homework for these people.

I think that the lesson here is to read the SITE DESCRIPTION before submitting.

My advice to you and other aspiring submitters:

1>Go to Google. Do a search for similar businesses as yours. Don't delude yourself, be sure that these matching sites are offering similar type of content as yours.

2>Note what cat they are in.

3>Submit to the matching cat found in DMOZ.

Hope this helps! ;)

mmr82

4:47 am on Sep 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks a lot Quadrille for your Notes,

Now my site is pop-up free, never need to download Arabic characters plug-in.

About the link, my site is a directory so it has a lot of link to other pages and i am affiliated with few programs that's it. Compared to all listed sites in my category i am far better ;-)

Any way thanks a lot for your notes.

Crazy_Fool

4:49 pm on Sep 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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in march 2000, i submitted a site. roughly once a month i resubmitted it, hoping it would be added. nothing. i tried other categories, still nothing. i posted to the editor forums (i'm an editor too), still nothing.

a couple of months ago, i submitted the site to a top level category and wrote a polite note to the editor asking if he/she could list it in the appropriate category. hey presto, it got listed. with the note to the editor. oh well, at least it was listed at last. wrong cat, wrong description, but it was a listing after more than 2 years.

and now it's gone. it's in the google directory, but not in dmoz any more. it's not been moved, it's gone. and when google updates, it'll be gone from the google directory too.

now it's not a bad site, and it's nothing spectacular either and i see no reason why it shouldn't be listed alongside all the other sites. there hasn't been any downtime that i know of, the site is on the same server as many other sites i've successfully submitted, but it just isn't listed in dmoz. and you think you got problems after just 3 months?!

maybe i should have just created a Personal Homepage [dmoz.org] (10,553 listings, several editors) instead of a business site? (and looking at some of those homepages, what happened to the ODP policy of listing "quality" sites?)

dmoz is a joke. and a bad one at that. i'm seriously hoping that someone (google?) can take it over and kick some butt.

Quadrille

5:06 pm on Sep 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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maybe i should have just created a Personal Homepage (10,553 listings, several editors) instead of a business site? (and looking at some of those homepages, what happened to the ODP policy of listing "quality" sites?)

Never was such a policy, else Business would have fewer sites than PHP. ODP's mission is to be a quality directory; the sites remain the responsibility of their owners see Guidelines [dmoz.org] for chapter and verse on what is acceptable.

Interestingly, you do not list your site in your profile, so we cannot compare!

victor

5:17 pm on Sep 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Crazy_fool -- you are having a hard time with DMOZ, and you need to go back and get some answers from an editor.

Climb the tree from your cat, find a name, and drop them a note. It's worked before, it'll work again.

In the meantime, only submit as a personal home page if you think you meet the spec for that cat. From the FAQ:

Pictures of you and your dog, your life story, and your resume are all appropriate here. Your opinions about the world and your Perry Como fan pages are often appropriate, though you might want to look for categories that relate more directly to your interests. Advertisements and portal sites are almost never appropriate. Please mull over the name of this category ("Personal Home Pages") before you add your site here.

[dmoz.org...]

There are several editor discussions about weeding the dross from the personal home page categories. The best way to speed that process is to apply to be an editor.

[edited by: Laisha at 10:47 pm (utc) on Sep. 16, 2002]

Crazy_Fool

11:22 pm on Sep 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>>Never was such a policy, ... ODP's mission is to be a quality
>>directory;

quality directory / quality sites .... all kinda tied in really .... like we don't add a site if it's only an affiliate site and so on .... but then that's not really the point.

the ODP can find plenty of editors to add and maintain a lot of junk (homepages and other stuff) that hardly anyone is interested in, yet it cannot find editors for categories that list sites that large numbers of people want to see. in fact, the ODP rejects a large number of applications for many of these categories, leaving some of them unedited for up to 2 years. IMO, that's hardly conducive to the creation of a quality directory. i gave up arguing about this in the editor forums a long time ago .....

>>you need to go back and get some answers from an editor

been there, done it, worn the t-shirt etc etc etc
end result? site got added in june, deleted in august (i've checked the editor logs). it's a new editor looking after that cat and looking through the logs it looks like he had a lot of work on, which IMO isn't really surprising after the cat was neglected for so long.

so now we're back to square 1 ... submit again and wait and see ....

>>There are several editor discussions about weeding the dross from
>>the personal home page categories

maybe i should pop back in there and suggest dropping the dross from the society cat - ie, dropping the entire personal home pages section, the useless pages section and so on ...... but then again, been there, done it ..... i think i'll let it be and save the wear and tear on my keyboard ....