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lucertola

11:16 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Following the thread on the book summary, I was thinking it'd be nice to have a best practive round up of copyright notices -- if this has been amply covered, apologies & point me to old threads...

rogerd

6:17 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Lucertola, do you mean how to publish copyright notices on your site? If so, a simple notice saying "(c) 2004 Example Company, All rights reserved" is probably sufficient - technically, the content is copyrighted even without the notice, but from reading discussions over the years it's clear that some web developers assume that the absence of such notice means the content is OK to copy. (This isn't legal advice, of course, which you should get from a qualified attorney in your jurisdiction.) You can also publish more comprehensive warnings if you fear copying, though how effective such warnings will be is hard to say.

If you have gray areas (content from other sites, user submitted content, etc., you may need to qualify things in more detail in your Terms of Service).

BigDave

7:17 pm on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I actually think simple notices without threats or far ranging claims are best.

If you put some sort of threat in your notice, that threat is going out to every user of your site, even if you are not intending that it apply to your users.

Threats also tend to be viewed as a challenge by polarity responders. They will copy your stuff, just to see you try to carry through on your threat. If you just have a copyright notice and then put up contact information for how to license your content, you will have far fewer issues.

spharalsia

4:31 am on Jul 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Since most people have misconceptions or (understandably) get confused by copyright law, I include this brief explanation:

The copyright to the text on this site is held by (sitename). The fair use doctrine of U.S. copyright law permits others to quote relatively small portions of a copyrighted work for the purpose of a review or commentary. If you are interested in republishing more extensive portions of this site's content, please contact us for permission. For an excellent introduction to U.S. copyright law, visit the Stanford Copyright & Fair Use Center.

I have a link to this explanation in the footer of every page. I think the Stanford Copyright & Fair Use Center (http://fairuse.stanford.edu/) is a great in-depth layman's explanation of the ins and outs of copyright law. I provide it specifically for webmasters who may want to learn more or clear up questions they may have about the limits of fair use.

lucertola

2:52 pm on Jul 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A lot of people don't seem to know what copyright is, let alone care about fair use, and they don't stop long enough while pulling a copy & paste to notice the symbol -- so I guess the balance would be the shortest, simplest legal notice (eg © All rights reserved) with some sort of explanation.

Ours currently reads, more or less, © 1997-2004 (does it make sense to date it? and is the symbol alone enough without "rights reserved? OK") Play fair. Please contact us to reprint/reuse our material (link to online form).

Nothing a lawyer would advise, but it has seemed to make people realize the material does belong to us & appeal to a sense of fairplay, pardon the pun.

Here's the APs copyright notice, I was surprised to see that the information can't be "rewritten" is that at all enforceable?

"Copyright © 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press."

rogerd

3:52 pm on Jul 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm not sure what they mean by rewritten, but perhaps it means creating a derivative work. For example, if there was an AP story about a clown whose nose was bitten by a rattlesnake (i.e., a unique story), you couldn't rewrite the story and publish it as your own. For a story widely covered in all media (e.g., a speech by the US President), it would be much harder to identify a rewritten story as a work derived from the original AP story. A pattern of rewriting could be identified, I suppose, if it occurred across many articles.

spharalsia

6:36 pm on Jul 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think rogerd hits the mark. I'm not a lawyer, but I've worked in publishing for a few years. The rule I've always followed is, if the author of the original work could recognize your work as being derived from his, then you need to think about copyright infringment issues.

On the other hand, I wouldn't worry about referring to another's work--"the AP ran a story today about a clown whose nose was bitten by a snake"--unless you made it a regular habit to quote AP stories as a core part of your site content. That's the thing about fair use -- it depends a lot on context.

I mentioned the Stanford Copyright and Fair Use site above. I think a lot of people asking about copyright issues in this forum would benefit from spending an hour or so browsing the articles there. They even have an extensive section about copyright issues on the web: [fairuse.stanford.edu...]

lucertola

7:07 am on Jul 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This is getting back on the subject of copyright infringement rather than notices but here's another interesting case: UPI
From what it looks like to me, they basically report what someone else reported, attribute it & republish it as UPI, with their own copyright...
Here's an example of a round up of quirky stories, if you read them they all come from another source -- eg
"A California woman, allegedly enraged at seeing her ex-boyfriend with a new woman, is accused of causing a crash that killed the new girlfriend.

Laura Medina, 21, of Oakland saw her former boyfriend in a car with his new friend outside a restaurant, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Thursday." The story goes on another five paragraphs...

[washingtontimes.com...]

ControlEngineer

2:12 am on Jul 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

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UPI From what it looks like to me, they basically report what someone else reported, attribute it & republish it as UPI, with their own copyright...

If UPI publishes a story written by someone other than their reporters, you can be sure that they have permission and probably paid for it.

There stories are getting kind of quirky, however.

lucertola

6:31 am on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Not so - they have given one of our stories 'the treatment' citing us as the source & I can assure you they never contacted us, let alone paid.

ControlEngineer

2:00 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I stand corrected, and suprised. While most of the story was rewritten, based on facts in the SFC story, there at least one part that seems to be a direct copy. "Medina, a receptionist and mother of a 6-year-old boy, left the scene after the crash but surrendered..." is word for word.

Maybe you should be talking to your attorney, and thinking about what you would normally charge to syndicate the story, or what UPI or others would typically pay.

Reporting on what another publication published is, I understand, in general OK. Sometimes the fact that a publication reported something is,in it self, news. For example, almost all major news sources reported the New York Post's "exclusive" story about Kerry's choice for VP, even showing pictures of the headline. I doubt that permission from the NY Post would have mattered.

I don't know if UPI crossed the line here. But it would be worth looking into.

lucertola

2:27 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Actually, we hadn't seriously considered going after them, though in our case it is pretty much the exact same story, we just don't have the budget for a serious suit, lawyer etc.
I wonder if there's a sort of gentleman's agreement between the wire services, newspapers & UPI, perhaps it's not considered competition?

ControlEngineer

3:22 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It would probably not be cost effective to get the lawyers involved.

I don't know what the usual relationship is. It was my understanding that frequently a wire service or other newspaper will purchase, for a small amount, the right to reprint or distribute a story written by another.

Local newspapers in different cities are not in competition with each other or with wire services (of course, AP and UPI are competitors), so there shouldn't be problems doing business with one another or having formal or informal agreements.

From my understanding, making use of the facts to write your own story is legal. I would think the phrase I quoted above, in the context it was used, crossed the line and violated the copyright. It is a factor that UPI was not reporting about the Chronicle or the reporter, but was reporting on the same subject and copying some of the words to reduce the amount of writing they (UPI) had to do.

However, I don't really know; a lawyer who specializes in news reporting would (for a fee, of course) have more knowledge about that.

BigDave

4:38 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It is my understanding that news sources have expanded Fair Use rights.

I also suspect that a rights holder would have very limited rights to a derivative works claim when the original work was only covering an actual event. You cannot copyright facts. You cannot claim copyright on a short fragment that can only be said in a few ways.

I honestly do not know if what you are describing is infringement or not, mostly because that is an area of copyright that I have never really been that interested in. It has parallels to some areas of software copyright that would suggest that they are fairly safe, but there are also many ways that they are treated quite differently.