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Using old magazine articles for content ideas

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mona

3:47 pm on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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When I was at a used bookstore the other day, I noticed they had a section of old magazines. I looked through them, and sure enough, there were a couple dozen old issues of magazines that are in my niche. So let's say I go back today and buy all those magazines....

I know it's perfectly OK to use these magazines for ideas. But I'm wondering if it's OK to go a little beyond that? I certainly would never copy an article word for word. But here's my question: Is there a safe and ethical ground between using an idea and just rewording the article a little bit?

bghtn

3:58 pm on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I use old magazine articles for ideas. I draw from those articles but find at least two other sources for information unless it is a subject I know enough about to just write the whole article from my head.
I am not sure how I feel about re-wording the old article - I don't think it is something I would feel good about doing - but I look forward to hearing others opinions.

Frequent

4:00 pm on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I guess my question in return is why even take the chance?

The vast majority of us went to school (at least highschool) and know how to write reports.

Use the article your interested in as your primary source and find some corroborating info to mix in from other sources.

Write yourself a one page report and properly cite your resources and you're done. All legit- No worries.

Freq---

digitalghost

4:16 pm on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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>>Is there a safe and ethical ground between using an idea and just rewording the article a little bit

Safe? Probably. Although if someone can prove that the article has simply been rewritten you're still open to litigation.

Ethical? Unless you're adding new insight or a different point of view, more than likely you're simply taking someone's work, slapping a new coat of paint on it and using it for your own gains. Not likely to pass the sniff test, but of course, you already know that. ;) That's why your instincts prompted you to ask the questions. If you're thinking about doing anything, and that little voice starts piping up with nagging little questions, it's wise to listen.

I prefer to use the academic standards that apply to written works, if you quote it, it should be in the source notes. If you reference an idea, add supporting or detracting arguments, and cite the source of the orignal idea.

If you decide to rewrite the article, compare the two when you're done and if yours doesn't add anything new, or topple the tenets espoused in the original, listen to your gut.

Failing that, you can rely on many a scholar's objection to original creations;

That which has been is that which shall be
And that which has been done is that which shall be done
And there is nothing new under the sun.

sifredi

4:17 pm on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How old are the magazines? You could easily pull it off by using articles that are in the public domain because of their age.

PatrickDeese

4:21 pm on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How old are the magazines? You could easily pull it off by using articles that are in the public domain because of their age.

I doubt that articles from magazines printed before 1920 would likely yield content for highly monetizable niches.

mona

5:05 pm on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Wonderful - thanks for all your quick feedback, all your advice opinions make sense. Frequent - I like your idea of going about it as a report for school. DG - you're right about my instincts and thx for explaining the ethics in such clear language - although your quote has thrown me for a loop;-) They're from 2-10 years old, I think.

cite the source

Hmmm..this brings up another question. The magazine is now a very well known website. Do you think I should link to the site? Even if I'm citing information from a print magazine that was published long before the website existed? Or do I only name the magazine, issue, year of publication, etc.? I'd rather not link to them;-) Or maybe just name the wesite without a link?

Syzygy

5:18 pm on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Even if I'm citing information from a print magazine... Or do I only name the magazine, issue, year of publication, etc.? I'd rather not link to them;-)

A full credit of the source is good in this scenario. You are not obliged to link to them; it's at your discretion.

Syzygy

digitalghost

5:31 pm on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'd cite the magazine, issue and year. The info in the magazine is the original source.

Sorry about the quote, it's often used as an objection by philosophy students advocating the old tenet that there's no such thing as an original idea.

All my ideas have been stolen by the elders.
~ Some old, dead guy.

mona

6:05 pm on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Great, thx syn. I'll probably just name the website, too, but not link. And DG all good on the quote. As someone who loves philosophy, I'm a little disappointed in myself for not getting it!

Matt Probert

6:16 pm on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I know it's perfectly OK to use these magazines for ideas. But I'm wondering if it's OK to go a little beyond that? I certainly would never copy an article word for word. But here's my question: Is there a safe and ethical ground between using an idea and just rewording the article a little bit?

Plagarism is not new. It's not uncommon either. Not only has the British government been caught, but the original Encyclopaedia Britannica, published in the 18th century, also included large quantities of work written by other authors and copied straight in!

I'm not suggesting you do copy other people's work, I certainly never do, but you shouldn't be alone if you did.

Matt

Syzygy

6:23 pm on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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A full publishing credit (standard if citing from professional & peer reviewed journals):

Magazine title
Volume number & Issue
Article title
Author(s)
Page numbers (pages the article appeared over).

Example:

Widget Monthly. Vol 3. Iss 5. (or the month/week, etc.) What's special about widgets? Fred Smith & John Smith; p25-36.

If it's a general consumer type mag then you can quite happily not include the 'Page numbers'.

Syzygy

bruhaha

6:27 pm on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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That which has been is that which shall be
And that which has been done is that which shall be done
And there is nothing new under the sun.

DG,
If, as you say, "if you quote it, it should be in the source notes" oughtn't there be a note for this quote? ;)

(Answer: Ecclesiastes 1:9)

monkeythumpa

4:18 pm on Apr 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I thought it was from "Dark Side of the Moon".

tictoc

7:45 pm on Apr 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I would be careful with old magazine articles because they have probably already been duplicated so many many times. I am not sure if google and amazon have magazines in their database but books for sure are in there.

Inventing something new to write about is normally the best thing.