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crxvfr

2:33 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Anybody watching the user revolt at digg.com?

bunltd

2:38 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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yes, it's interesting. most of the front page posts are now about the forbidden topic. Looks like it's a "I was there when" type of thing.

crxvfr

2:45 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Oh this is ugly. Someone discovered the master password to open HD DVDs and its being posted all over the place. Digg is going to get shut down by their own users.

Believe it or not, HD DVD is one of their sponsors. Its rumored Google has gotten involved trying to stop the bleeding. People are posting the number in threads as if its a signature. Digg is pleading them to stop.

They are taking bets how long the site will be up. People keep digging the number. They're making posts saying the number in as many ways that they can think of.

you're right. I was there when...

rogerd

2:46 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Another view of the dark side of Web 2.0. Users aren't always working in the best interest of the community. When it's one or two, no problem. When it's a big, organized group, the site can get defaced. I'm surprised a Digg admin isn't removing this stuff, or most of it, from the home page. I think a reasonable course of action would be to leave one protest topic, or a few different ones, in place, but make room for other news items.

jtara

2:54 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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It's not just digg, it's being done in other places as well, but not to the overwhelming extent as on digg. (Random slashdot comments, for example.) digg is just a particular target because of their ham-handed handling of it.

Cat's out of the bag for good.

It appears Google may be trying to remove it from their results - somebody claimed 300,000 Google references to "the number", but I am only seeing about 21,000, so I wonder if they've been successful at eliminating ~280,000 references?

This is probably the Internet meme of the year. People are using any means possible to get "the number" to show-up in as many places as possible in as many forms as possible. Domain registrations, user names on social networking sites, blogs, etc. etc. etc. And, yea, mugs, T-shirts and bumperstickers... v

[edited by: jtara at 3:03 am (utc) on May 2, 2007]

crxvfr

2:56 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Hey!

DVD key T-shirts, Mugs, and Bumper stickers!

diggs got a social disease. I'm amazed they haven't taken it totally down, at least for awhile. I think were going to be seeing this number, everywhere. I know digg.com wrote at least ONE webpage on it as a statement. I had it but can't find it.. Lawyers are FURIOUS about the whole thing.

crxvfr

3:24 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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"This is probably the Internet meme of the year. "

Could be, (this is not bump :)

I wish I could post it in more forum area to let people watch. I posted on most of my faves that dwasn't talking about already, like #*$! was. I saw it open up at about 4 pm est today.

nutsandbolts

3:40 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Still, makes a change from the usual topics that get posted on DIGG day after day (atheism rocks, pot is cool, obscure scientific fact, bush is evil, amazing css resources etc etc)

jatar_k

3:59 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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let the users decide what they think is important, then tell them they can't think it's important. I wonder if they were surprised when their users got upset or if they just figured it was time, the model does allow for this possibility.

ah well, amusing all the same

can't we get a catchier title on this thread like "digg digs drm" ;)

crxvfr

4:17 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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One thread I started on another board has already been removed. I'm not giving the number. I wouldn't know what to do with it if I had it, but one of my posts about the news just got deleted from another forum. Will all boards with commercial interests soon feel pressure?

superpower

4:27 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Wow... it's like that the number is a WMD to Digg.

crxvfr

4:36 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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..and another thread in another popular forum gone. Will WebmasterWorld treat it as news? So long as nobody posts the number I think we're good, yeah? (crossing my fingers) Its been to fun watch. .....developing news.

pteam

4:44 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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hah i just seen this over at this forum :)

jtara

4:49 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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appears Google may be trying to remove it from their results - somebody claimed 300,000 Google references to "the number", but I am only seeing about 21,000, so I wonder if they've been successful at eliminating ~280,000 references?

Sorry, I goofed. I entered the number with dashes between the hex groups. That comes up with 21,000. Take out the dashes and you get nearly 300,000 pages.
---------------

There are two stories here: the agressive distribution of "the number", and the apparent (past) censorship of critical articles by digg - not just those containing "the number" but those merely critical of digg management - and not just on this particular topic.

The latter is critical for a site that purports at it's very core to be constructed of pure democratic principles.

Clearly, digg currently has no control over this phenomena, either because it is too overwhelming or because they have now (at way too late a date) backed-off.

It will be interesting to see how digg deals with it (Shut down for a period? Shut off new registrations? Management review of every new article? The situation just burns itself out?) and what is left of digg when it's over.

thecoalman

4:52 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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What's funny is that information has been available for months, now everyone knows it. ... :)

I wonder why they even bothered, the titles have already been cracked and appeared on p2p so anyone that wants them illegally is going to have access to them eventually. Truthfully the only people that will find that useful are ones that already own a copy.

Clark

5:24 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Is this really a mass revolt? Or is it just a smart guy whose been gaming Digg from the beginning with fake usernames and sophisticated robots that can register accounts, post comments, vote etc? This guy got pissed, and unleashed his power.

I've been seeing lots of dodgy users who digg stories more often than there are hours in a day...and Digg let them live. I bet they lost control of the bots long ago...

Maybe Digg is trying to analyze how they are being owned so they can write code to shut it down. If they just remove all those stories, they may be less able to figure out patterns of bots.

That's just my speculation. Maybe this revolt really is tons of people getting together...but I think a vocal minority has a lot more power in social networks, in forums, etc than people think...often the crowd is so dumb they will just follow if a few big shots lead the way.

Funny, this kind of thing has spoiled many a forum. And there have been several essays on psychology describing how this will happen over and over again in a forum. Didn't expect Digg to fit that model...

carguy84

5:36 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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w00t first one!

<snip>

letters and numbers oh my!

[edited by: engine at 10:32 am (utc) on May 2, 2007]
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Undead Hunter

5:37 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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No, this is a mass user revolt. Even I've joined in to Digg up stories about this. This is quite amazing to watch. Stories are hitting the front page with 4,000 votes, which I think is unheard of?

I can't wait to see where this goes/how this could play out. I mean, will they kick me and 4,000 others out for voting this stuff up?

simey

5:41 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Hey, when you depend on 'user generated' content to make you rich & your site popular, you've got to take the bad with the good sometimes....

thecoalman

5:41 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Is this really a mass revolt?

I believe so and goes much deeper than what you see happening on digg. As more consumers are becoming aware of DRM (some of them painfully) they aren't liking what they are seeing. As far as that goes this is just the tip of the iceberg IMO.

jtara

5:43 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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At this point, digg.com appears to be down. Responds to pings. No response from website.

Clark

5:47 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Wow. OK, then I guess people really care about their DRM. Since you're part of the revolt, I'm just curious, why are you mad? I don't listen to music or rent movies. Just dvr the cable box and go to the theater from time to time. Don't pirate videos or music...

Is it that you're buying a DVD and can't copy it? That's enough to have a revolt like this? I mean, they were threatened with legal action. Are they really the enemy? They aren't making the DRM themselves...

The little I've read about DRM, I agree the corp.s are full of it, but I wouldn't blame Digg for their actions. I don't think Kevin is evil because he caved... It's just business.

Also, how long can you/the community keep this up? Wouldn't it get boring after a few hours?

Simey, you made me smile. Well said. :)

[edited by: Clark at 5:48 am (utc) on May 2, 2007]

simey

5:50 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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comment from digg

[blog.digg.com...]

Clark

5:58 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Wow. Obviously he had no choice than to back off. Is it enough?

I've read a couple of other stories now too. You may be right. This could get bigger.

If I were Wikipedia, I'd be worried. They locked the page on that topic up. Imagine if people starting inserting the number randomly throughout their site...

jtara

5:59 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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comment from digg

Duplicity. In spades.

It's a safe position to take - at this point. Cat's out of the bag, can't put it back. No legal threat any more.

BTW, digg.com is down again, this time with a "we'll be back soon, we're making some changes" message.

Vimes

6:07 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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We'll be back shortly.

they are down,

wonder if it'll come back :p

Vimes.

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(Ah Ya beat me to it hehe)

[edited by: Vimes at 6:09 am (utc) on May 2, 2007]

shyspinner

6:17 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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lol...kind of sounds like a classic case of the dog eating it's own tail.

grelmar

6:32 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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This is just too funny. There have been so many "hacks and cracks" that have made the front page at Digg, why the heck would the administrators choose to try and remove this one? What were they thinking?

I think I'll head over to the TPB boards and see what the opinion is among unabashed pirates.

DRM is silly, I really don't like the idea of a series of numbers crippling expensive hardware.

walkman

6:48 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)



let's see if my account gets disabled here:
12 34 56 78 :)

I see Digg's view but the mob wins.

thecoalman

7:02 am on May 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

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Since you're part of the revolt, I'm just curious, why are you mad?

If that was directed at me I'm not mad, i do it the old fashion way and vote with my wallet. The only media i have payed for in the last ten years are used CD's... and no i don't pirate or download anything either although i have a strong background in video so copying anything is a trivial matter for me.

Is it that you're buying a DVD and can't copy it?

I think its the culmination of many things, the fact that you have to jump through a thousand hoops to copy something has really become a thorn in the side of many consumers and is just the beginning. Read around and you'll find the likes of the MPAA and RIAA attempt to stifle many types of technologies, if they had it their way you would have never known what a VCR is.

I respect the rights of content owners to be able to protect it and set whatever stipulations they want but I and many consumers are coming to the conclusion it's too much.

Their business model in the past has been to sell you the same thing over and over. How many different formats of your favorite album have you owned? The Internet and digital media broke that business model and DRM is the only way they can hang onto it. The kick in the teeth is they also want to add more restrictions such as the tunes you download that can only be played on the device they were downloaded too.

As far as the takedown notice as I mentioned in my other post that number has been available for months and I just checked where it was originally posted and it's still there. Perhaps that website is outside of any US jurisdiction. Still sounds to me like they just caved.

Whatever the case that is how their community feels and if you run a user contributed website you are well aware you don't want to p*** the natives off... :)

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